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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    You could also focus on whether his T is Te or Ti. Does he analyse, identify principles, seek inconsistencies in and amongst theories and build a continuously evolving internal model, or does he structure and construct, organise, plan ahead and implement?
    His Ne seems a bit more obvious, but Ti is definitely there as well. I honestly think Ti comes across as J'ish at times, and that's his hold up. Growing up, he could spend endless hours playing video games and playing with Legos, which I feel is -usually- a Ti thing. His ISFJ wife had to put away his video games when he spent too long on them in Med school. He also said that he felt J because, while he wasn't very good at getting up in the morning and would be late to his first meeting a lot, he was -always- on time the rest of the day. So I asked what his motive was for being on time. He said he hates inconsistencies, and he wouldn't want anyone else to be late, so it wasn't right for him to be late. Ti?!?!?! I mean... I have an INTJ father, and yeah... my brother is just too silly and open to people. I would also like to add that I asked him why he liked making these videos and share them with his friends and family: "I just enjoy connecting random thoughts and pieces of information together, sometimes memories.. like from a show I saw or a situation I was in or a person it reminds me of, and figure... why not share them with my friends and family and let them in on what I'm doing?" ... Ne, Si, Fe, no?!

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ99 View Post
    Just to add I agree that he sounds ENTP. What your relationship with him like cause my best mates ISTP so I'd be interested to see how to react to your brother.
    Unfortunately, I'm not all THAT close with him. With a family of four kids that's always in the middle of some sort of drama/chaos, my brother and I seem to recede into our own lives to avoid getting involved. Buuuut, I love ENTPs! One of my best friends is an ENTP, I work with one, and I've dated one. I -always- have fun with them, and enjoy their company. Although I would like to add that we were only meant to be friends... romance does not work for the ISTP/ENTP . I think we're more like-minded than some people may think. While my brother and I aren't close, we've always had this sort of comradery, and I felt we were very similar despite our frequent disagreements... so when I first heard about MBTI, I thought he might be an ESTP...but he is most definitely an N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    ENTPs are often confused or confuse themselves for INTJs...at least I've seen it happen fairly often on here.
    hmmmm.... i think so. *points down.*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    ENTPs are often confused or confuse themselves for INTJs...at least I've seen it happen fairly often on here.
    I'd say it was more common for ENTP to confuse themselves for INTP, but not INTJ really... ENTP's extraversion is about being plugged into the external world primarily, and "people" are a secondary concern. Extraversion in general is often confused with Fe, whose primary concern is people. So ENTP's Fe being tertiary and low priority means when asked if we're "all about people", we usually answer "no", and therefore conclude that we're introverts. It's only on closer examination of the functions that the truth emerges

    I concur with the guy/guyess who said ENTP's are more like ISTP's than any NTJ. My experience would corroborate with that. I find that my fondness for tinkering with the outside world meets nicely with ISTP's Se, and we click nicely with Ti as well. Non-linear ways of thinking and general spontaneity are things I share with my best bud (an ISTP), and though we differ in some ways it's not really a big deal, we generally see eye to eye on most things and those we don't, well, we're too laid back to get pissy about it, hence why we've never once fallen out in many years.
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    Here's a great quote about the different between Ni and Ne (from Personality Type: An Owner's Manual by Lenore Thompson):

    "Where Extraverted Intuitives see many behavioural operations, INJs acknowledge many conceptual standpoints. They experience no need to declare one inherently better than another. Indeed, these types have the disconcerting habit of solving a problem by shifting their perspective and defining the situation some other way."

    INTPS are guided by Ti, an inner mental framework that demands that their thoughts subscribe to a holistic causality determined by first-hand experience. An INTJ might regard this sort of stance as stubborn or arbitrary, since they find it easy to shift their perspective on life in order to solve problems. Ne is about finding contextual links in what is presented in front of you; Ni is about taking two mental steps to the left to solve linear problems.

    [edit]this is probably why INTJs are seen as such immoral robots; if a problem needs solving, any stance is potentially justifiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC939 View Post
    I would also like to add that I asked him why he liked making these videos and share them with his friends and family: "I just enjoy connecting random thoughts and pieces of information together, sometimes memories.. like from a show I saw or a situation I was in or a person it reminds me of, and figure... why not share them with my friends and family and let them in on what I'm doing?" ... Ne, Si, Fe, no?!
    Certainly sounds like it - and it also sounds like an extroverted way to approach the whole thing. My guess would be on ENTP as well, FWIW, although that's obviously based on very limlited understanding of this person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ99 View Post

    sim thats not a great statement to make to someone trying to understand NTs. There are many similarities but most are internal. The differences I would say are more external.
    You've got that backwards--NTPs and NTJs show certain surface behavior similarities (hence the letters in common), but these letters represent very different functional combinations. When you examine the actual internal processes and motivations, Ne+Ti ends up looking very, very different from Te+Ni.

    Breaking down the functions, it looks much more similar to Se+Ti, in fact--as I said, they at least have Ti in common.

    You're limiting yourself if you try to "understand NTs" as a group--it's much easier to understand NPs vs. NJs, or EPs vs. EJs. Silly Keirsey!

    Having more letters in common doesn't necessarily mean you're more similar. For instance, in my experience ESFJs appear more similar to ENTJs than they do to ESFPs, because the ESFJ's Je+Pi "directive leader" approach (which is shared by ENTJ and all EJ types) is so dramatically different in motivation and intent than the ESFP's Pe+Ji.

    Anyway, if you're new to these concepts, just remember that P/J is the biggest difference between people. If you want to know whether someone is P or J, find out whether they place emphasis on having their external world (schedules, concrete goals, timelines, etc.) or internal world (personal beliefs, internal consistency, etc.) more organized. Judgers organize externally; Perceivers organize internally.

    Once you establish this difference it becomes very difficult to confuse NTP with NTJ--as I said, much easier to confuse NTP with STP because they share the Pe+Ji "explore and experience and then develop rigid inner rules" structure and also have the same secondary function Ti. (Note that NTPs share zero functions with NTJs.)
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    How often does he shower?


    < =3days/week INTP

    > 3 days/week INTJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC939 View Post
    Yeah, personally, I think he's an ENTP. But he seems very opposed to being an E, although he loves being "center stage," as he calls it, and isn't very private. He bases it on the fact he prefers doing things alone, and doesn't really need others around him.
    ENTP/ENFP are the most introverted extroverts. They need feedback from outside of themselves, but they also prefer to be alone more often than all the other Es.



    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    How often does he shower?


    < =3days/week INTP

    > 3 days/week INTJ
    lol And, there you have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Note that NTPs share zero functions with NTJs.

    Not only do NTPs and NTJs share functions, they share all the functions.
    Every person has the ability to use every single function.

    Your posts are getting nuttier every day.
    I'm going to start calling you Hitler-- the function nazi who thinks he alone, is allowed to tell people what functions they use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Not only do NTPs and NTJs share functions, they share all the functions.
    Every person has the ability to use every single function.

    Your posts are getting nuttier every day.
    I'm going to start calling you Hitler-- the function nazi who thinks he alone, is allowed to tell people what functions they use.
    sigh

    They share zero functions in their dominant two as opposed to NTP/STP which share one...if you'd read the previous post you'd know that was the context.

    Please read before you mouth off.
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