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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Yeah. I think that is definitely possible. Also, SFs are more NT in processing logic, and STs are more NF at processing emotions.

    In other words, I think that your two unconscious functions can end up working together and supporting each other in a similar manner to your conscious functions. The main exception is that the second-weakest function sometimes ends up working with the strongest function, while the weakest one never does.

    So ironically, it's more likely that an N-dominant NT would be able to intellectualize their emotions to some degree and gain conscious access to them, while a T-dominant NT can't do so, because the emotions are too far outside conscious control due to the conscious mind being ruled by logic. In other words, in the areas where their F comes into play, the conscious mind doesn't get to make any decisions. They can only maintain conscious control by making decisions logically rather than based on values. It's a strong example of the idea that, "The more you tighten your grip, the more sand slips between your fingers."
    Yeah, ENTPs and INTJs often sound more deep in their emotion analysis I'd say. I think ENTJs and INTPs are more likely to simply acknowledge them as facts and occurrences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I thought all NTs generally deal with their emotions as separate objects rather than identifying with them.

    You detach from them and analyze them, turning them around in your hands and studying them, so that you can figure out what to do about them.
    Exactly.

    Deconstructing complex emotional "blurs" into individual slices makes it easier to reorganize the parts into a meaningful logical order.

    Doing so helps to better comprehend motivation and reduces difficulty in expressing want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Yeah, ENTPs and INTJs often sound more deep in their emotion analysis I'd say. I think ENTJs and INTPs are more likely to simply acknowledge them as facts and occurrences.
    That's interesting. I was going to suggest my experience was different... but I'm actually an N-focused INTP. I think the N opens up exploration without T immediately shutting things out, it allows N to take the point position and just checks everything N sends back to see if it could make sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Exactly.
    Deconstructing complex emotional "blurs" into individual slices makes it easier to reorganize the parts into a meaningful logical order.
    Doing so helps to better comprehend motivation and reduces difficulty in expressing want.
    Do NTPs normally have trouble deciding what they want?

    J's probably are just fine, they want closure.

    Using a Ti process to decide what one wants really sucks, because "wants/desires" are not really in its province; it's especially difficult in regards to making arbitrary decisions (e.g., "What do you want for lunch today?").

    Usually in a situation, I've ended up telling myself what I should rationally want (and then going with that), rather than perceiving what I truly wanted regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That's interesting. I was going to suggest my experience was different... but I'm actually an N-focused INTP. I think the N opens up exploration without T immediately shutting things out, it allows N to take the point position and just checks everything N sends back to see if it could make sense.
    Completely random question but how does your Se rank among the other functions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    No, affect, as in affection. He's asking whether you intellectualize your emotions, and what role this intellectualizing of emotion plays in your life.
    That's exactly what I meant. But... is "affect" a correct noun?

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    to the OP:
    a lot

    I constantly try to intellectually justify my feelings and others. Its quite frustrating because often it really doesn't work and so I confuse myself.
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Exactly.

    Deconstructing complex emotional "blurs" into individual slices makes it easier to reorganize the parts into a meaningful logical order.

    Doing so helps to better comprehend motivation and reduces difficulty in expressing want.
    Hmm... now that you mention it, I do see NTs doing this after the fact. But at this point, they've detached from their emotions and are making rational decisions.

    I suppose I was talking more about the times when they end up making a value-based decision in the moment, without having the opportunity to detach. NTs are sometimes placed in such situations, and I think their emotional responses at such times tend to have an inferior SF flavor, particularly if they're T dominant (an N dominant can sometimes see the pattern emerging and follow what comes up as a way to keep N in control even as they find themselves in F land, which means their F is as likely to be NF as SF depending on the situation.)

    I suppose the question wasn't about intellectualizing emotions while they were being experienced, or experiencing emotions in an intellectual fashion, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by braziljoe View Post
    That's exactly what I meant. But... is "affect" a correct noun?
    Yes, but it's a bit old-fashioned. Many people don't know what it means, or how it differs from "effect."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I think their emotional responses at such times tend to have an inferior SF flavor...
    Please define what you mean by this, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Completely random question but how does your Se rank among the other functions?
    ROFL.

    Lessee, mental checklist here:

    Ne / Ti (they flip spots a lot for me, but I'm not an ENTP
    Ni
    Fe
    Si
    Fi / Se / Te (depends on situation as to whether it functions well enough ... they all take purposeful effort and massive energy drain)


    Yeah, if you were speaking on a hunch... my Se skills have generally sucked, I have to make arduous conscious effort, and I've only recently improved it at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Please define what you mean by this, thanks.
    I bet you'd feel silly if I refused to define it after you'd already said thank you, wouldn't you? I'm tempted to do that just to mess with you.

    But, I won't. I care about completeness too much.

    What I mean is, they usually seem to process and respond to emotions at that point in the same manner that an SF would, only more haltingly and with less skill than a typical SF.

    Of course, an INTP with highly developed Si and Fe would likely be able to appear just as skilled as an ISFJ if they so chose. Focused attainment of skills can overrule natural tendencies, and I think that if you don't relate, that's probably the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I bet you'd feel silly if I refused to define it after you'd already said thank you, wouldn't you? I'm tempted to do that just to mess with you.
    Please don't mess with me. Thank you.

    ^^^^
    Jen messing with Athenian!

    But, I won't. I care about completeness too much.
    I know your secret Achilles Heel!

    ...ummmm, not so secret anymore, oopsie, my bad.

    What I mean is, they usually seem to process and respond to emotions at that point in the same manner that an SF would, only more haltingly and with less skill than a typical SF.
    But what IS that? How does an SF process emotions? You are mixing ISFJ and ISFP here, who run off completely different functions, so I'm honestly not sure what you mean by "typical SF processing."

    Did you just mean to insinuate SFJ processing?
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