I've only ever been able to learn things that interest me. Maths interests me theoretically now, but the rote maths you do early on never did and still doesn't, so there's a barrier that prevents me from actually doing any of the higher, more interesting maths. I'm only able to deal with it conceptually.
I don't know if I'm bad at maths; my brain tunes it out before I ever have the chance to find out.
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10072009, 11:48 PM #21

10082009, 12:13 AM #22
Whoever said that early math is an SJ thing was spot on. I made Cs and Ds all the way through Algebra II and Precalculus when I was in highschool. Then when I took calculus AB, it suddenly became very interesting to me. So interesting in fact that I made a perfect grade in the class (lol) and selfstudied the extra semester of material to take the BC exam instead of AB (AB represents 1 semester of a typical college calculus course while BC is supposed to represent 2). I took four math courses at a nearby university during my senior year of highschool, and by the time I had finished my freshman year of college I had pretty much finished my math degree.
All this from someone whose precalculus teacher told him not to take calculus because it would be too much of a challenge.Ti = Ne > Fi = Ni > Te = Si > Fe = Se
"I've never seen a child who didn't want to build something out of blocks, or learn something new, or try the next task. And the only reason why adults aren't like that is, I suppose, that they have been sent to school and other oppressive institutions which have driven that out of them."
 Noam Chomsky

10082009, 12:51 AM #23
I'm better at some types of math than others. I'm excellent at analysis and financial mathematics comes natural, but I had to work a lot in order to become good at algebra (i.e. never make stupid mistakes). OTOH I can easily compute higher order derivatives in my head. I don't know, it seems really sectorial. In elementary school I used to win a lot of prizes, when problems were more "intuitive" and didn't require extensive exercise in order to acquire the skills to solve them. Anyway, in middle school I met a professor that didn't like me and told me I was going to fail high school because of my lack of math skills, which lowered my confidence on the subject. I got it back in high school.
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10082009, 01:05 AM #24
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I'm in college right now majoring in math. I hated math until junior year of high school and didn't really like it until I got into the more theoretical university style of math. Its definitely an SJ thing until calc. As of now, I wouldn't be suprised if the entire graduate math class I'm in is NT with maybe one or two NF. S's (and many N's) would find this sort of exercise in disembodied logic maddeningly abstract.

10082009, 03:12 AM #25
My memory for anything I don't care about is abysmal, as is my shortterm memory in general. So on the one hand, there's no remembering formulae; on the other, calculation is impossible for me. I'll enter a number, then multiply a number, then forget what the first number is or why I was adding them in the first place. No good.
If math were taught more as an abstract system, and the patterns and holistic elements were emphasized, I'd have been okay. I get higher math in principle; it's just more than I'm worth to do the arithmatic.

10082009, 03:14 AM #26
I don't think of math as an 'SJ thing', it's more of a 'no bullshit' thing, unlike literature for example. I was always a grade 'A' student in both subjects, but the latter was more satisfying since I didn't have to use my logic to write classy yet meaningless paragraphs  the mere fact that I'm capable of formulating seemingly "deep" thoughts proved to be satisfying to the teacher. On the other hand, I am forced to do some brainwork by computing a complex mathematical problem, which is both more exciting and more tiresome (I'm not speaking of the basics of course). I suppose math is even more fun for NTPs driven by a problem than NTJs driven by results, so I don't see a reasonable explanation for the OP. I guess you're the exception to the rule.

10082009, 12:03 PM #27
im a lot better than my math grades indicate. math class just seems so pointless that i was never motivated to do it well. However, if im doing a project in another class that requires good math, then i wont skimp on it (ill go out of my way to include it).
its rather sad. the reality is that some of the subjects that interest me at my age now require extensive math (ie at least a BA in math), and yet its way too late to go correct that now... if only they had presented the math along with other INTERESTING and MOTIVATING subjects!

10082009, 08:57 PM #28
Not even my fellow NTs enjoyed math...
Does this mean I have to back to SJ land?If a deaf INFP falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

10082009, 09:02 PM #29
I think most people who hate math do so from association with boring ass arithmetic drills and rote memorization, which only robots with obsessive compulsive disorder enjoy.

10082009, 09:35 PM #30
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