[ENTJ] why the ENTJ hate?!

[Amargith]

It is pretty useless. Just compare and contrast.

Interesting comment from a person who according to the theory wouldn't know the first thing about how Fi feels or looks

Oh and btw, I feel the same about Ti

 

[MacGuffin]

Interesting comment from a person who according to the theory wouldn't know the first thing about how Fi feels or looks

Oh and btw, I feel the same about Ti

Ti put us on the moon!

Fi gets us bad poetry.

 

[Ezra]

I've seen some seriously offensive shit here along the lines of
- uninteresting
- not friendly
- controlling
- closed minded

I've been described as controlling on occasion, and possibly close-minded, but never uninteresting or unfriendly.

Also, you couldn't call me controlling any more. The last time I was called controlling was years ago; I can't even remember. As for close-minded, that would be a real stretch. I play devil's advocate far too much for that to be true. I'm always looking for new viewpoints - I get very tired of the same one over and over. Plus, I'm a philosopher; I couldn't be close-minded!

 

[Amargith]

Ti put us on the moon!

Fi gets us bad poetry.

You still needed Ne and Te to help you out with that

Fi tells you who you are, how to live life fullest, and shows you the entire rainbow of human emotion for you to experience and learn from. It gives you a sense of purpose and meaning in everything you do. And, when faced with the fact of your inevitable timelimit on this journey here..that's a mighty handy tool to have

 

[jenocyde]

You still needed Ne and Te to help you out with that

Fi tells you who you are, how to live life fullest, and shows you the entire rainbow of human emotion for you to experience and learn from. It gives you a sense of purpose and meaning in everything you do. And, when faced with the fact of your inevitable timelimit on this journey here..that's a mighty handy tool to have

I live life to the fullest without Fi, and I know who I am. And life need not have a purpose - all roads lead down the same path...

OP - all Te doms get it bad. Organizational skills are one thing, but forcing people to fit into a box is quite another. If someone doesn't try to lord over me, then we are fine regardless of type. My little sis is an ENTJ and she is one of my most favorite people on this planet. She is bright and kind and funny, and is in complete control of her own life - but she never tries to control anyone else.

But I also know a lot of ExTJs who perceive slights where there are none and react at a level that is absurd, to be honest - as if in shock that someone would dare to undermine/challenge them. I guess it just depends on how you express yourself.

 

[Amargith]

I doubt anyone is really without any of the eight functions. Whether you're aware of using it though, is another matter. I'm sure somewhere, in a very crude way (as it is my weakest function), I use Ti. Wouldn't recognize it if it bit me in the fact though

 

[jenocyde]

I doubt anyone is really without any of the eight functions. Whether you're aware of using it though, is another matter. I'm sure somewhere, in a very crude way (as it is my weakest function), I use Ti. Wouldn't recognize it if it bit me in the fact though

I was teasing you and did not mean to be taken seriously or open a huge discussion. And I've seen you use Ti before, quite well.

 

[Amargith]

I was teasing you and did not mean to be taken seriously or open a huge discussion. And I've seen you use Ti before, quite well.

Hehe, I wasn't taking this discussion personal or to heart, don't worry. And thanks..wouldn't know how I did that, but tnx. Same applies to you with Fi btw..

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

But I also know a lot of ExTJs who perceive slights where there are none and react at a level that is absurd, to be honest - as if in shock that someone would dare to undermine/challenge them. I guess it just depends on how you express yourself.

There is no sarcasm font.

Or a I don't mean what I'm saying font.

 

[jenocyde]

Hehe, I wasn't taking this discussion personal or to heart, don't worry. And thanks..wouldn't know how I did that, but tnx. Same applies to you with Fi btw..

Jeez, no need to be insulting...

 

[Amargith]

Jeez, no need to be insulting...

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

 

[jenocyde]

There is no sarcasm font.

Or a I don't mean what I'm saying font.

I don't understand people who would say something they don't mean. Most sarcasm is lost on me.

And I've seen this behavior in person too, particularly from ESTJs. When they feel a bit insecure, they tend to go on the offensive. It's ok though, I expect it so it doesn't really bother me personally.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I just generally need people to explain themselves fully over the internet.

Without body language and facial expression, it's very hard for me to understand where people are coming from.

 

[jenocyde]

I just generally need people to explain themselves fully over the internet.

Without body language and facial expression, it's very hard for me to understand where people are coming from.

Me too. But instead of jumping to conclusions and reacting aggressively, I just ask for clarification (Ti).

But again, nothing against any Te user or any ENTJ. I quite like you folks. My fav partner in crime on here (before she got herself banned for overreacting) was an ENTJ.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I try to wait for someone to attack me before I light the fire.

 

[jenocyde]

I try to wait for someone to attack me before I light the fire.

That's very nice. Hope others follow suit.

 

[Amargith]

I prefer NTJs just stating what they think is going on in a forceful way and asking what the hell I'm doing AND them listening when you tell them that hey, that's not what I meant by that statement and reevaluating the situation based on the new info over being asked by NTPs to justify and explain my statements and getting them picked apart and getting accused of being illogical and therefore a liar, as I am unable to word it in a way that will make sense to them.

I find crude and blunt force to be more...digestable than cutting and disecting.

The 'AND' part is important though

 

[jenocyde]

I prefer NTJs just stating what they think is going on in a forceful way and asking what the hell I'm doing AND them listening when you tell them that hey, that's not what I meant by that statement and reevaluating the situation based on the new info over being asked by NTPs to justify and explain my statements and getting them picked apart and getting accused of being illogical and therefore a liar, as I am unable to word it in a way that will make sense to them.

I find crude and blunt force to be more...digestable than cutting and disecting.

The 'AND' part is important though

Hmmm... I think you are looking at the best case scenario for NTJs and the worst case scenario for NTPs. Does every NTP follow up question end in an unpleasant dissection? And does every "f**k off" from an NTJ please you and open the door for constructive communication?

 

[Amargith]

It's more that...even if an NTJ gives me that response, I can handle it. Coz I usually know the context or at least how to diffuse it. I guess I can relate as to why they'd be that way. And, if I can't and consider him an asshole, I'll keep in mind that I might not be getting the entire picture. It..doesn't hurt as much in the way that they do it, which allows me to assess the situation better

Whereas when Ti does that, I have no clue what I can do to make them stop or when it will stop. I just wanna hide and shut up coz everything I say fuels the fire. I feel too closely involved, trapped and cannot get the distance I need to assess the situation which makes things even worse. Avoidance reflexes are bound to set in, and chances are I'll never see that they didn't mean it that way.


Kinda like a bulldozer coming your way meaning to crush you, but which you can dance around vs someone having you strapped to an operating table without anaestesia and methodically cutting out your kidney with a razor sharp scalpel.

 

[jenocyde]

Kinda like a bulldozer coming your way meaning to crush you, but which you can dance around vs someone having you strapped to an operating table without anaestesia and methodically cutting out your kidney with a razor sharp scalpel.

That's quite an analogy. It seems like a more fair analogy would be if you were also strapped to a tree while being bulldozed. It doesn't make sense why you can't just walk away from an NTP... but to each his/her own.