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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post




    Ironic. Good for you.

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    This whole thread is about ENTJs using self-victimization to gain sympathy from other people. Am I right or not?

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    Man there really is a lot of ENTJ hate floating around. Everyone thinks Hitler's ENTJ just because he's teh evulz.
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    The problem with ENTJs is that our average type description…is horrible. They drag out people’s memories of the controlling, TPS-report-obsessed manager that everyone has. The general reputation of the type as a leader also tends not to go over well. If ENTJs are leaders than surely by their logic other types must be followers, and no one wants to believe that they are followers. The vast majority of individuals prefer to delusionally believe that they are special, uncontrollable snowflakes who are constantly on an independent quest so the very idea that an ENTJ would ever wants to “lead” them tends to set off all sorts of alarms.

    And of course, as most people aren’t overly grounded in basic statistics, it’s not uncommon for people on this forum to see “ENTJs” everywhere, despite our extreme rarity. Most of these non-tested “ENTJs” are of course far more likely to be ESTJs, ESFJs, or even ESTPs. It sort of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when people type every controlling individual as an ENTJ.

    Going back to those magnificent profiles, comments such as "I don't care to sit by the window on an airplane. If I can't control it, why look?" casts us as NTs who are ironically enough, incredibly lacking in curiosity. Hence why ENTJs have acquired the reputation of being the perennial dunces of the Rational temperament.

    On a purely personal basis, such a dislike for ENTJs on this site has kept me away from it rather well. It simply isn’t worth socializing with individuals who by practice dislike me when I could be using my time more valuably by doing anything else: improving my small business, learning a language, discovering the cure for cancer. Anything. And the common practice of hiding one’s type in order to be more well liked always struck me as extremely cowardly.
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    Just to nitpick one particular point...

    Quote Originally Posted by LunarMoon View Post
    And of course, as most people aren’t overly grounded in basic statistics, it’s not uncommon for people on this forum to see “ENTJs” everywhere, despite our extreme rarity. Most of these non-tested “ENTJs” are of course far more likely to be ESTJs, ESFJs, or even ESTPs.
    ENTJs are actually quite rare on forums, but genuinely more common than they are among the general population, simply because the internet is N-dominated. Most ENTJs here don't seem mistyped to me, and the ones that are I'd say aren't any of the types you just described (I'd argue they're both either ENFP or ESFP -- likely the latter).

    Quote Originally Posted by LunarMoon View Post
    Going back to those magnificent profiles, comments such as "I don't care to sit by the window on an airplane. If I can't control it, why look?" casts us as NTs who are ironically enough, incredibly lacking in curiosity.
    Aside from the fact those descriptions are rooted in Keirsey (which is a different system that happens to use the same letter code), being a Rational doesn't necessarily make one inquisitive -- it is Engineers (NTPs) who are described as naturally curious. ENTJs fall under the Coordinator sub-temperament, and are thus described as visionary enterprisers -- which they are. Not investigators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarMoon View Post
    On a purely personal basis, such a dislike for ENTJs on this site has kept me away from it rather well. It simply isn’t worth socializing with individuals who by practice dislike me when I could be using my time more valuably by doing anything else: improving my small business, learning a language, discovering the cure for cancer. Anything.
    Yes, yes, we're all losers for wasting our time on here instead of doing something better with our lives.

    Why do people hate ENTJs again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Man there really is a lot of ENTJ hate floating around. Everyone thinks Hitler's ENTJ just because he's teh evulz.
    I think Hilter is ENFJ just because he's teh evulz.

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    He's INFJ though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    He's INFJ though.
    You're a loon though.

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    Yeah, it says so right on my profile.
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