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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnfloyd6675 View Post
    My roommate is ENTJ and has a 4.0, which we were both really going for before I got sick. Upon coming back, I wondered for a moment if that 4.0 made him legally a TA, because all I heard out of his mouth was stern advice and instructions to "work hard."

    Eventually my ENTP champagne-cork popped and I let my mouth say the meanest things my brain could think of to him. He lasted like eight seconds before saying he was sorry and admitting that he'd been an uptight asshole.

    +1 for ENTP
    My experience with ENTJ was that they respect those who stand up to them. Good for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHer View Post
    So it seems like absolutely everyone on the NT forum is hating on ENTJs like we are hitler.

    I've seen some seriously offensive shit here along the lines of
    - uninteresting
    - not friendly
    - controlling
    - closed minded

    Where is this coming from? Have you met some super assholes in your life that youve labelled as ENTJs? Do you just assume when you see this kind of behaviour that the person is an ENTJ? I seem to find that alot of you describe ENTJs as ESTJs, which is not cool.

    Oh and one more thing I see alot of is people saying ENTJs just try to convince others to see things their way. That seems to contradict the most commonly stated ENTJ trait that they constantly seek to take in knowledge and to grow, and that they are extremely interested in other peoples ideas and thoughts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodsWoman View Post
    My experience with ENTJ was that they respect those who stand up to them. Good for you.
    Why?

    It implies the ENTJ is acting like a bully or at least disingenuously. Respect is then given when they are called on it?

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    With the ENTJs being the leaders, they most of the times have better ressources to counterreact an uprising. Therefore we have to hate and plot in the shadows.

    Problem solved, anymore questions ?
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    Mac - So they are act in these ways - sometimes unconsciously. Most of them are aware of their ability to be overbearing, but not always aware of how they come across to others. They can be intimidating even when they aren't trying to be. My husband had a deep voice - and had been a drill instructor when he was in the military - he could sound mean/angry and not realize it: call him on it and he'd thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    It implies the ENTJ is acting like a bully or at least disingenuously. Respect is then given when they are called on it?
    I happen to agree with you.

    Anyone who only "respects" someone for "standing up to them" would indeed be a bully.
    I respect people who have a creative/innovative mind and operate with integrity. It's that simple for me.
    The phrase "standing up to" evokes an image of a barroom brawl with a bunch of drunks.

    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodsWoman View Post
    Mac - So they are act in these ways - sometimes unconsciously. Most of them are aware of their ability to be overbearing, but not always aware of how they come across to others. They can be intimidating even when they aren't trying to be. My husband had a deep voice - and had been a drill instructor when he was in the military - he could sound mean/angry and not realize it: call him on it and he'd thank you.
    Yeah, but why would respect then follow? Your example of your husband does not seem to be an example of someone challenging him, just that he's getting a bit loud (metaphorically speaking).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I happen to agree with you.

    Anyone who only "respects" someone for "standing up to them" would indeed be a bully.
    I respect people who have a creative/innovative mind and operate with integrity. It's that simple for me.
    The phrase "standing up to" evokes an image of a barroom brawl with a bunch of drunks.

    No thanks.
    Right. Any good leader/friend/person would not need "standing up to". They would engage the other person and find out what they think/feel before that.

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    I think we're seeing the phrase "standing up to" a bit differently, though I admit the initial incident here does lean more toward what you seem to be aiming at. Part of what I see 'standing up to them' is using your voice to hold a place in the conversation, a refusal to be ignored. I refer to respect as an alternative to agreement - he might not be won over, but the better reasoning in the background the more respect would be given.

    In this case I think there was possibly some immaturity involved from both parties and that both parties seem to have learned something from that incidence and gained a bit of maturity in the process. It required that they BOTH speak up, not just one of them.

    I do not agree that any good leader/friend/person would engage the other person to find out what they thought if that other person had yet to express themselves one way or another. Only when an expression (one that had apparently been withheld) of a position can it then be engaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Why?

    It implies the ENTJ is acting like a bully or at least disingenuously. Respect is then given when they are called on it?
    Yeah that attitude is totally idiotic. When I meet ENTJs that behaves like that all I want to do is stab him-her in the cerbellum. Although I do have a loud voice and if people think I'm angry because of that...I don't know what to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    We hate to be trifled with.
    I think, as with ENTP, there's also a strong desire to come across as The Man who you just don't mess with.

    I like ENTJs. My MBTI didn't reveal a strong preference for Perception in me, and, to a greater extent than I think many 19-year old male ENTPs, I make an effort to employ Judgement in drawing up long-term plans and in maintaining perspective during disputes, and am getting better every day about ensuring Ti supervision of my Ne monster.

    Of course, there is a sort of sworn-enemies, trying-to-look-at-the-other-guy's-dick-in-the-urinal sort of dynamic between these two types. ENTJs obviously Intuit and Think, but they lead with their Te, whereas ENTP is led (at gunpoint) by Ne. This leaves young ENTJs to work hard and play the game better than everybody else in class, except for that one smirking boy who leads class discussions and sets every curve without ever displaying one whit of discipline, sincerity, or work ethic. While ENTJs are battling their political enemies on the Student Council, ENTPs are stockpiling Soviet flags and nerf guns.



    That's my high school. Tiny, like, 100 kids, and that picture was taken while everybody inside was taking a science exam. We played the Soviet anthem so fuckin' loudly that our speaker system blew out the school's electric power. Then headmaster came and ate barbecue with us. That's ENTP. And of course, we, or maybe I, wouldn't do things like that if people thought of me as the sort of person to run the Student Council. So ENTJs do inspire envy. But we inspire awe.

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