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    Senior Member Cypocalypse's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentStream View Post
    Yeah this basically describes me when I'm at my best and the kinda person I want to be more often. Well except for the flirtation skills . I'm very laid-back with people and I don't do the whole NT thing, rather I generally expand on what they said that I agree with and ignore what I think is incorrect. Well most of the time .
    I think ENFPs are the best teachers for INTPs regarding flirting. They flirt differently. Kinda like putting their charming child-like traits at the forefront. Not your stereotypical jerk/a$$hole kind of flirting. Weird, but somehow works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    I think ENFPs are the best teachers for INTPs regarding flirting. They flirt differently. Kinda like putting their charming child-like traits at the forefront. Not your stereotypical jerk/a$$hole kind of flirting. Weird, but somehow works.
    Oddly enough I learned from ENFJs and ENTJs. The ENFP way always looked far too needy for me, the whole Machiavellian "I'm going to say this and I know what you're thinking" suits me much better. Kind of evil flirting but with humour...
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    The way I see it...

    ENFP = flirting prodigy
    ENFJ = flirting veteran

    For INTPs who have just been learning the fundamentals of socializing, I think ENFPs are better at start-up. I think they value their close friends better. ENFJs cater to a lot of people. A lot.

    Personally, I used to be clingy when the people I knew were fewer, I only learned to have preferences when I got to know more people.

    It's hard to be clingy to an ENFJ if you don't have enough maturity to comprehend their social life. But in advanced flirtation training, they;re good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    The way I see it...

    ENFP = flirting prodigy
    ENFJ = flirting veteran

    For INTPs who have just been learning the fundamentals of socializing, I think ENFPs are better at start-up. I think they value their close friends better. ENFJs cater to a lot of people. A lot.

    Personally, I used to be clingy when the people I knew were fewer, I only learned to have preferences when I got to know more people.

    It's hard to be clingy to an ENFJ if you don't have enough maturity to comprehend their social life. But in advanced flirtation training, they;re good though.
    Me thinks my ENFP friend would object somewhat to being referred to as a trainee ENFJ
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I'd say I'm both a likeable and hateable INTP, mainly. I'd say that with my only (1 or 2) friends I'm a likeable one. The real thing is that I just don't let ANYBODY in, I don't really start up conversations with people I don't know. For me, the idea of talking to a stranger is as weird as eating a chocolate-coated pickle on the 29th of February while sitting in a tub of orange juice and having two model airplanes up your nose.

    I guess I just bounce everyone around me back, unless I already know them. I was much less I as a child, but grew into being a very extreme I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Oddly enough I learned from ENFJs and ENTJs. The ENFP way always looked far too needy for me, the whole Machiavellian "I'm going to say this and I know what you're thinking" suits me much better. Kind of evil flirting but with humour...
    I learned from an ENFJ too - or rather she was my inspiration for learning as much as she was my teacher.

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    intps are occasionally enneagram 3s in addition to the wider contingency of 5s, no? my take is that the 5s are very very stubborn and the 3s want to play social games that others find valuable, bc the sense of achievement within those games helps them feel shored up, valuable, purposeful, etc.

    whereas 5s just want to feel like a supergenius, they are less behind-the-scenes and more "i need to be in-charge" like entjs. intps who are responsive and calm do work social situations far better, it is a much better and more natural use of their skills. when they want to be 8s bc they're 5s with a god-complex, their social ability starts breaking down.

    even the 3s, tho, show very strong holes in "social charisma." they're just really fucking well-argued and well-defended, so you have to give them credit and recognize that they have their shit worked out most of the time. perhaps less than charisma they're just really fucking good at picking up the way the game is played and playing it well. they like all serious Ti folks love the challenge.

    and that mostly they are more ok with doing something that fulfills the needs of a larger sphere rather than just focusing on their own, even if they are just as focused on/solely focused on their own success and self-perception (3w4 esp). but that can be better than e5 total self-absorption, depending on the approach and similarity of interests between the people. my best intp friend is a 5w4 and it gives us enough to talk about for years and years. the need for iconoclasm is like the foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    perhaps less than charisma they're just really fucking good at picking up the way the game is played and playing it well. they like all serious Ti folks love the challenge.
    I'm not sure how much weight I put into ennagrams, but this is an interesting observation. I've recently started watching the show Dexter and I found my self strongly relating to the character. Not that I'm a sociopath; I do feel empathy, sympathy and love - but I spent a lot of time studying communication and rapport building techniques from a wide variety of sources because I severely lacked skills that felt like they should be instinct. As a result of these studies I've become considerably more "charismatic" than I was seven years ago. But it's a lot of work - very draining, except when concerning the previously mentioned ENFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    OkAY, ENTJs do not think they are godly.

    KTHX.
    Many of them do though.



    OP: I've been quite taken with flirtations from a few older INTPs over the years. I think they get more confident as they age. They're the pleasant surprise, and highly underrated in the world of dating.

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    [QUOTE=Gewitter27;860667] For me, the idea of talking to a stranger is as weird as eating a chocolate-coated pickle on the 29th of February while sitting in a tub of orange juice and having two model airplanes up your nose./QUOTE]
    Well, when else are you going to live out your fantasies? If you live it out on the 29th of February, you can rest assured that it was special enough that it can't be repeated every year.

    I really should schedule more social engagements for the 29th. It would be nice only have to do them once every four years. More months should have these "one day every once in a few years" things. My relatives should also happen to be born on these given days.
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