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    Default ENTP are manipulators?

    how the hell? ive never successfully been able to manipulate anybody on purpose. actions that might seem manipulative to an audience might have taken place, but the persons involved know exactly whats going on and they do not feel manipulated (or do you?). i sure as hell dont feel 'crafty' cuz i 'manipulated' them. explanation is as follows

    from observation i know that im sincere till the subject of my attention diverges away from my focus/heading...like we hit a fork in the road. i go one way, the other person goes the other way. thats when i stop taking the initiative to make them the subject of my attention. i still go out of my way to help them when they need it

    management science calls that conserving your resources. behavioural psychology would call that healthy in that it is putting an end to idling your mind on something/someone that doesn't need that attention anymore. social norms apparently calls that being manipulative
    how the fuck is that being manipulative

    ------a possible explanation
    i think people take us for being manipulative cuz we (i) can tell exactly what people's intentions and even motivations are. in order to be manipulative, one needs leverage. ENTPs are in the know of that leverage and therefore assumed to be manipulative.
    so in essence, you just want us to fit in with your framework which is founded on YOUR intelligence and understanding. understanding which doesn't usually include knowing about other people's intentions. so when you DO find about people's motivations, you put that kind of information on the pedestal and try to take full advantage. since ENTPs usually already know that information, you assume that they too put it on the pedestal and take full advantage...dont you

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    I reckon you wanted to reply to this thread? Post reported so it can be merged.

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    Glad I'm not an ENTP then. They sound so mean! INTP=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    I reckon you wanted to reply to this thread? Post reported so it can be merged.
    not really.

    going around and reading comments like "ENTPs are master manipulators" is what prompted this new topic

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    I think everyone can manipulate, just in different ways. I don't know why ENTPs and ENFJs get singled out for it, though. Something about the Fe charm pisses people off if they feel they've been duped is my best guess. I think that's what angers me the most when I get manipulated by an ENFJ.

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    ENTPs can sure confuse a person with clever wording and the immature ones like to play childish tricks, but manipulators? No, not in my experience. And I have a lot. I don't think they could stay interested long enough to effectively manipulate.

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    I prefer to talk with INTPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I think everyone can manipulate, just in different ways. I don't know why ENTPs and ENFJs get singled out for it, though. Something about the Fe charm pisses people off if they feel they've been duped is my best guess.
    Agreed.

    I think that's what angers me the most when I get manipulated by an ENFJ.
    Does this include when I grope your boobs? Because they're really nice and I'm kinda gropey. Plus, you only slapped me twice, so full speed ahead!
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    Talking is acceptable to INTPs as long as the other people do most of it.

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    I had a friend (Female ENTP) who was many shades of charming... some of them dangerous... and she would openly admit to manipulating people, however, obviously you can't brand a type on one friend... Besides I agree with Jeno.. all types can be manipulative... just some are better at it
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