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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I think everyone can manipulate, just in different ways. I don't know why ENTPs and ENFJs get singled out for it, though. Something about the Fe charm pisses people off if they feel they've been duped is my best guess. I think that's what angers me the most when I get manipulated by an ENFJ.
    the common denominator is Fe

    that means people using Fe in everyday life are scarce in that the majority of the population fails to recognize it correctly and presumes it to be fake sincerity...as they can't get a handle on it

    that agrees with the MBTI dispersion stats, doesnt it

    Ne is random
    Ni is awkward
    Se is cool
    Si is classy
    Fe is wtf/unkown therefore suspicious...something the 'logic' people can't seem to rationalize
    Fi is

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    Talking is acceptable to INTPs as long as the other people do most of it.
    Is that your way of telling me you hear voices while drinking Jack Daniels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    the common denominator is Fe

    that means people using Fe in everyday life are scarce in that the majority of the population fails to recognize it correctly and presumes it to be fake sincerity...as they can't get a handle on it

    that agrees with the MBTI dispersion stats, doesnt it
    Fe is certainly not rare, with xSFJs being two of the most common types.

    I do see why a function directly related to the feelings of others would have a connection with manipulation. But I think if there is any pattern to be noted in the preferences of which types are accused of manipulation, it is with extraversion in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    not really.

    going around and reading comments like "ENTPs are master manipulators" is what prompted this new topic
    My apologies then. I missed the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    But I think if there is any pattern to be noted in the preferences of which types are accused of manipulation, it is with extraversion in general.
    That depends on the type of manipulation. Crying fits and withholding affection is something that I see in introverts a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    That depends on the type of manipulation. Crying fits and withholding affection is something that I see in introverts a lot.
    Okay, but I'm talking about the pattern on this forum of which types are accused of manipulation. I noted extraversion because ExxJs and ExTPs are the types I see mentioned most often. Maybe because of the fact that this forum has so many introverts. Or maybe because of something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    My apologies then. I missed the context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Fe is certainly not rare, with xSFJs being two of the most common types.

    I do see why a function directly related to the feelings of others would have a connection with manipulation. But I think if there is any pattern to be noted in the preferences of which types are accused of manipulation, it is with extraversion in general.
    SFJ dont come across as manipulative to me although i remember talking to an ISFJ and thinking 'dude...wheres that tact'

    so yes, SFJ manipulation is not unheard of (probably also has to do with the origins of the 'do i look fat' question)

    i am thinking Fe + Nx is what sprays kerosene over the gunpowder

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    Im better at nonemotional forms of manipulation, if only because most people are seriously creeped out by me for some reason.
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    I CAN be manipulative, I'm actually very good at it, but I hate it.

    I don't do emotional manipulation (meaning crying or getting on other person's nerves to get what I want), no. it's more like... for some reason I can really see "through" most people, as people are so easy to read and most of them are very VERY automatic indeed. they behave in certain patterns, they blab about themselves all the time - and they are not even aware of it themselves!!!

    it actually takes only half an hour max to see what makes them tick, what are their weak spots etc. so basically it's possible to manipulate people by "clicking" only so very lightly on those... needs and emotions.

    e.g. when someone's basic and first need is to feel important then my manipulation would be to hint only very lightly and very calmly that i don't really admit their superiority... and stick to it (this is the important part!)

    there is absolutely no need to do anything more as given person will do anything to prove that he IS important and should be respected. and he WILL continue, going to extremes and be ridiculous...

    until he realizes that himself
    and understands that BY making himself so ridiculous he himself has actually PROVEN to me that he really can't be respected...

    after that he will do anything you ask and/or run when he sees so much as your shadow. but he will never ever try to f... with you again...

    it's like a front-row ticket to a circus... watch and learn how a human being is going to make a complete and utter fool of himself.

    beauty!

    I only do something like that when someone has really done me wrong (e.g. my former boss who wasn't going to pay me the money I had earned honestly!!!)
    I really really hate it because I hate to see that people are so EASY to read. I hate that I know exactly how to hurt someone.
    I hate that I don't even have to strain myself to do something like that. it's just SO. FUCKING. EASY. it's not even funny!!!

    I've also realized that's the main reason why I haven't really wanted to live with any guy so far... because I've seen them through and I have known I COULD manipulate them any time... and that's not equity...

    and I'm sure now that's the main reason I fell in love with an ENTJ, a very mature one - it's impossible to move him any way I want, I can't even do the typical female nagging-thing. it just doesn't work on him

    (recently I've come to the conclusion nagging must come with XX chromosomes as EVERY single woman I know, even the most rational and mature one has admitted to at least TRYING to do it... a INTJ friend of mine who just got 39 recently described me that... I was like "ET TU!!!" and she said "yea, well, seems like I am a woman after all... took me 39 years to realize but better late than never")

    sure he has his weak spots, everyone does, me too, I've demonstrated you at least two of them in this post, but the difference is - he is AWARE of those. therefore I can't "click" on those! he's not automatic!

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    Say, you know how when an ENTJ has decided some plan for how things are going to work and you can't really get a word in edgewise because they've decided and that's how it's going to be? Well, that's Te, and the decision is about some third thing, not you, not him, but the procedure for how and what is going to be done. Now... Fe. It does the same kind of thing, except the decision is not about some third thing, it's about you. For better or worse, someone else has made a positive choice about what you will do or feel or be guided toward.

    If you feel great about what the other person chose for you, if you feel together with him as a result, and harmoniously reaching for further happiness, I guess you won't worry too much about manipulation. You might even call it cooperation. Or love.


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