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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post


    I giggled maintained the INTJ stoney-faced expression the entire way through this description
    MAH BAD!
    I think said-INTJ is actually...... ENTJ.
    LOL.

    My INTJ friend says this about herself:
    intj == bossy but kinda lazy. we basically do not want to deal with people enough to tell them off and prefer a dictatorial stance cos efficient



    hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by refreshe123d View Post
    When I first took the personality test I couldn't tell if i was INTJ or INTP since they are very similar. what are the big difference between each other?
    If you pay your bills in time and your house is clean, chances are you're an INTJ, if not probably INTP.

    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    There are some superficial similarities, so yes, some characteristics overlap. But you're one or the other.
    Likely, but preferences can be very close to each other. My friends were amazed I had classified myself as an Introvert, since I do like to go out and be sociable. Function theory doesn't always help either, cause my Ti and Se are about as strong as each other. I definitely have a preference for introversion, but it's just not that big.

    Quote Originally Posted by refreshe123d View Post
    why is it one or the other? There are mixed race and it doesn't mean they have to pick which race they belong to.

    EDIT: I just read those and they both seem to describe me. Except about the part where "often correct others". I wouldn't care less if you are doing it wrong long as it's not bothering me.
    For now, just leave it at INT, maybe you'll figure out the rest later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    Likely, but preferences can be very close to each other. My friends were amazed I had classified myself as an Introvert, since I do like to go out and be sociable. Function theory doesn't always help either, cause my Ti and Se are about as strong as each other. I definitely have a preference for introversion, but it's just not that big.
    That's very true. Although in my opinion there's a big difference between a shift on the E-I dichotomy (which only changes order a little) and a shift on the other dichotomies (which completely change the functions used). So the difference between an ENTJ and an INTJ is nowhere near as big as that of INTJ-INTP.

    Quote Originally Posted by tetsuwanatom View Post
    MAH BAD!
    I think said-INTJ is actually...... ENTJ.
    LOL.
    Haha, well it still certainly smacked of NTJ.
    intj == bossy but kinda lazy. we basically do not want to deal with people enough to tell them off and prefer a dictatorial stance cos efficient
    Fact!
    "There's no need to be embarrassed about it, Mr. Spock. It happens to the birds and the bees!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    INTPs usually seem too focused on logical correctness to have a good sense of humor.
    I lol'd.

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    ^ i don't get it. from what i've seen, INTP humor is usually kind of irreverent and decidedly illogical.

    "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.."
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    Assuming a correlation between "logical correctness" and a "good sense of humor" is kinda... funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refreshe123d View Post
    why is it one or the other? There are mixed race and it doesn't mean they have to pick which race they belong to.

    EDIT: I just read those and they both seem to describe me. Except about the part where "often correct others". I wouldn't care less if you are doing it wrong long as it's not bothering me.
    Its one or other because functions work in different order with these types. With intp uses mainly Ti helped by Ne, intj uses Ni helped by Te. Even if you got all of these functions working pretty well, there is still two main functions that you mostly use and that are different with these types. Ti + Ne is kind of like that you first percieve the world and see hidden meaning and what could be and then you use main function Ti to think it over and analyze these ideas and you spend most the time analyzing stuff with Ti, and look out the hidden meanings on the world while doing the analyzing. Im not too sure how intjs work but i think its more like that you get ideas more using Te and interracting with other geeks and share ideas(or learning at school for example), then you use Ni to fit the ideas of what could be possible(from yourself) from the learned facts.

    Naturally other functions have theyr effects, but two main functions shows the most. Intj can have good Ti and Ne, but having well working functions that arent main functions isnt same as using main functions. They might end you up with same resaults, but the resault will still come from different way of thinking, so its not the same thing.

    P's are usually more laid back and accepting people as they are(doesent mean that they would like them, even tho might accept them as they are). J's are usually more uptight and not so accepting on other peoples differences(and that why not liking some people).

    Intps are general smart and able to think creatively, even if they didnt learn theyr stuff from books or at school. Intjs need and want(more usually than intps) more of studuiyng at school, from books or with interracting using Te with other geek friends. And theyr more book smart. Intps dont that often think that its important to learn this stuff in school, because they can see alternative things to learn and study better, can pass basic school without much(or eny) effort and are more lazy at studying unimportant things. However if intp thinks that the stuff teached at school is important to them, they will study and learn hard. Intjs seem to think more that school is important because they can learn stuff in school and because they can get to better schools later and get better jobs.

    Im quite much like mix of intj and intp and i had 5/6 times intj resault from mbti test(none intp), but im still intp because i use Ti guided by Ne mainly.

    My humour mostly comes from Ne and adjusted more or less by Ti. I dunno where intj humour comes, but doesent really matter since its mostly(not allways) pretty boring geek humour enyways .

    And yeah intps tend to ramble bit more what comes to theyr heard, because P's are more spontaneus and it shows when interracting with other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Im not too sure how intjs work but i think its more like that you get ideas more using Te and interracting with other geeks and share ideas(or learning at school for example), then you use Ni to fit the ideas of what could be possible(from yourself) from the learned facts.
    Ah, my ideas all come from Ni (or Ne). Te doesn't give you ideas - it's entirely about what you do with them.

    INTJ ideas come from an internal source primarily, not so much from 'interacting with other geeks'. From my understanding, Ne is more likely to be inspired by external sources, since it's an extroverted function.

    I think Si is the function that determines what's possible based on previously learned information/acquired experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    Ah, my ideas all come from Ni (or Ne). Te doesn't give you ideas - it's entirely about what you do with them.

    INTJ ideas come from an internal source primarily, not so much from 'interacting with other geeks'. From my understanding, Ne is more likely to be inspired by external sources, since it's an extroverted function.

    I think Si is the function that determines what's possible based on previously learned information/acquired experience.
    Its 5am here and i might not be able to think this thru now(never thought about how intj work exactly before). S = what is and N = what could be, so Si doesent give info of what you could be in you, it gives info on what is. Si shows what you are and Ni says what you could be, in internal world. Se shows what is in external world, Ne says what could be in external world. For example if you notice that you have habit of doing some certain things, the thought comes from Si, since it shows you what is. When you see that you could for example change that habit, it comes from Ni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Its 5am here and i might not be able to think this thru now(never thought about how intj work exactly before). S = what is and N = what could be, so Si doesent give info of what you could be in you, it gives info on what is. Si shows what you are and Ni says what you could be, in internal world. Se shows what is in external world, Ne says what could be in external world. For example if you notice that you have habit of doing some certain things, the thought comes from Si, since it shows you what is. When you see that you could for example change that habit, it comes from Ni.
    Maybe, in generalised terms, S usually tells you what is, but I don't think it's as clear-cut as this. A person using primarily Si might, I think, encounter some evidence, and in order to determine what it most likely means, will compare the evidence to past encounters with similar things, and recall what those things meant. That produces a hypothesis for this time.

    Ni also produces a hypothesis, but it works in a different way. It's like an immediate awareness of the hypothesis, and the threads of reasoning that connect the hypothesis to the evidence. It's like a part of the total conception of the situation. And, while Ni's produce is often to do with potential rather than what is, it does give answers, and these can be in the present (or perhaps atemporal) tense.

    Ne generates mere possibilities with no commitment attached, to be decided amongst by judging functions. Ni generates hypotheses with a degree of confidence attached, to be double-checked by judging functions.

    Se is the only function, I think, that gives you what is basically interpretation-free information, exactly as percieved, in rich detail.

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