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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    INTJs arent about what might be imo, they are about what is in their own little world. things either are facts or they arent(to them), things that can be proven is real, things that might be is not proven, so its not taken in. INTPs take in all and then think what is the percentage of it being true, even the really unlikely things are considered and if it cant be proven false, it still might be true, but its not fitted into the internal framework until its seen as being at least most likely true(and even then it not being true is concidered) that describes what is real in the outer world. INTJs take in only facts, what might be true is not true if richard feynman(or other trusted sources) doesent says so.

    this sort of black & white world view puts INTJs to live in their own fantasy world, but because INTPs sees black, white and everything in between, they have stronger connection to the real world. i think thats because INTJs Pe function is inferior and INTPs have aux Pe
    INTJs are very much about what might be, from the perspective of what they want it to be, so they create their own form of framework. That's the shift I'm talking about. Framework A can easily be Framework Z or maybe B or maybe AB or maybe A but with different content/context, reliant on their perspective or wants. They manipulate reality, sometimes consciously, sometimes due to unconscious bias.

    That said, both types sometimes use their shadow functions. As an example (IMO), Night who's an INTJ, sometimes appears to use Ti while dissecting or explaining in detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    INTJs arent about what might be imo, they are about what is in their own little world. things either are facts or they arent(to them), things that can be proven is real, things that might be is not proven, so its not taken in. INTPs take in all and then think what is the percentage of it being true, even the really unlikely things are considered and if it cant be proven false, it still might be true, but its not fitted into the internal framework until its seen as being at least most likely true(and even then it not being true is concidered) that describes what is real in the outer world. INTJs take in only facts, what might be true is not true if richard feynman(or other trusted sources) doesent says so.

    this sort of black & white world view puts INTJs to live in their own fantasy world, but because INTPs sees black, white and everything in between, they have stronger connection to the real world. i think thats because INTJs Pe function is inferior and INTPs have aux Pe
    Your INTJ friend really gives you a hard time, hm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobble View Post
    I'm talking about the MBTI INTP type not the people who relate to this type.

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    @ thread topic - INTP's more open-ended. INTJ's more into closure. easiest way to tell them apart, usually. the superficial J/P stuff doesn't work, though, because INTPs can be really meticulous and INTJs can be kind of spacey.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbie
    if you really want to find out how much INTP you have in you all you have to do is join INTPc. The members on that forum might vary IRL but INTPc is not real life. It's a forum that is only interested in the INTP version of you a nothing else. Try to express the other aspects of you and see if it's embraced in the same way. The forum understands that there is more to you but they don't want to hear it. They want INTP type answers and nothing else.

    So join INTPc and see how long you can stand it. The longer you can, the more INTP you are. That might not be a good thing though because if you fit right in that will mean you are a very solid and generic INTP and that makes you less unique and more part of a group. For some people that's what they always wanted and to other that would sound like hell. But at least you will know for sure how much INTP you are.

    If you try It let me know how it turned out for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobble View Post
    INTPs sound so much better on paper. Why give so much great qualities to a person who is completely incapable of ever using it. Not only are they clueless as to what to do with it but also unwilling to do shit with it. Then to have this fuck you personality would be so much more understandable if they actually worked hard at accomplishing these qualities but the fact that it comes naturally to them just screams douchbaggery. It's like being born into money but acting as if you earned it. I share a lot of the same qualities but almost none of their personality.

    I sometimes wonder if learning didn't come so naturally to them would they have been unwilling to learn? It's as if they developed that trait as a survival technique. Without that what would they have? How would they function I wonder?


    jesus, someone hates INTPs.

    take two and try posting again in the morning!

    (kidding)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobble
    INTPs seem to make what comes naturally to them seem important and anything that doesn't they act as of it is not important. In other words, of it's easy it's important, if it's hard forget it. What is this type willing to work hard on?
    actually, i know an ENFJ who does this way worse than my INTPs (2 in the close family).

    it seems to be somewhat related to "competency" enneatypes - 3, 5, and 1 - who feel shame, fear, and anger, respectively, when they are unable to perform at something. thus they tend to put down or ignore the things they are not good at, making them experience less cognitive dissonance. it's not so much that they don't want to get better at things, but that there is shame/fear/anger in facing up to the fact that they are not good in some way.

    in other words, my guess is the INTPs who are bothering you so much are 5s, as many INTPs are, and you are experiencing the typical unhealthy e5 (especially 5w4) "i am better/smarter/more clever than you"ness. if this is true, it belies insecurity. the more putting down and avoidance, the more insecurity, and at least with e5, the more learning will take place in private. as for INTPc, the vast majority of INTPs seem to enjoy logical debate to some extent. still, even a fair number of INTPs will tell you they do not enjoy INTPc, at least not as much as typoc.

    my major point being, the INTPs i know are quite lovely, and i respect them and their knowledge very much. they have their quirks and specific interests, certainly, and don't always want to move beyond that, but so what? it's not up to you what they choose to do with their skills, just as it's not up to you how rich people spend their money. ironically, it sounds like you are saying that you know better than they do, so you're essentially doing exactly what you blame them of.


    eh, just give them a chance. find some healthy INTPs. they're some of the best people to hang out with, imo. and incredibly skilled in their disciplines of choice.

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    INTJs are so fun to mess with
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    INTJ's do certain things really, really well - and most of those things are our weaknesses (INTP's).
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    @ thread topic - INTP's more open-ended. INTJ's more into closure. easiest way to tell them apart, usually. the superficial J/P stuff doesn't work, though, because INTPs can be really meticulous and INTJs can be kind of spacey.
    INTPs are into closure on certain things more than INTJs. its about Je wanting closure, INTJs need closure on T, INTPs need closure on F. since INTJs have stronger Je(they focus on it more), so they tend to want closure on more things than INTPs. INTPs are more open ended about T stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    INTJs live in some world of their own and doesent have much understanding about what is real, or they see facts about the real world and draw their own conclusions from them and create their own world out of those facts.

    INTPs are best

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Talented stalkers. Gifted stalkers. Genius stalkers.
    I am more into the celery variety myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
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