User Tag List

First 123 Last

Results 11 to 20 of 25

  1. #11
    Babylon Candle Venom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    1w9 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,128

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post

    The statement the ENTJ said made me think of TJs actually think of character progression as something like an RPG-like leveling up where there's a clean-cut progression where there's hardly minimal tradeoff.

    On the other hand, a perceiver may value hierarchical equality because of their full awareness of trade-offs, and it helps them better by seeing things in gray, hence the carefulness in decision making.
    1. What if leveling up involves learning to make trade offs? Ie the very traits that make ENTJs so great in business can make then unlucky in Fe/Fi. Perhaps the leveling up is making the trade offs at the appropriate interval. In this sense, even the "trade off"rs learn to 'level up.

    2. I think your basing way too much ENTJ negative stigma on the one jack ass ENTJ you talk to on that other forum. Really, I sense a bit of arrogance in your many posts when you "expose" the entjs for all that they are :rolleyes2:

    dont paint with such a wide brush. Not all ENTJs are so full of themselves.

  2. #12
    Senior Member Jaguar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    12,444

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post

    "The ideal man would be someone like me (or my archetype), without my bad traits."
    Sounds like something an unhealthy ENTP would say.

  3. #13
    Senior Member Cypocalypse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    MBTI
    eNtP
    Enneagram
    4w5/
    Posts
    252

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Do perceivers have an inadequate sense of the completed object? If an ENTJ says the ideal man is me minus bad traits, then he's describing an end-product, after work has been done to minimise bad traits.

    TJs actually do think of character development in terms of leveling-up. Accomplishing, completing, progressing. You are welcome to get over your stasis.


    PS. I'm under the impression NFJs think that way too.

    The ENTJs I know have almost full denial of their weak traits. To say something like "minimizing" would already be a bit condescending on their part.

    With regard to completed object, I think perceivers consider chanracter development to always be in a state of flux, progressive or otherwise, hence disliking the idea of "completed". It's more like an ongoing process.

  4. #14
    Freshman Member simulatedworld's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/so
    Socionics
    ILE
    Posts
    5,554

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post

    ______________

    It's kinda like Perceiving and Judging. Correlated. But more like inversely proportional with each other. You can't increase J when you develop P and vice versa. Each of them have their good and bad traits.

    They cannot be separated in such a way that one can just have a wishful thinking of not having some of the traits or trade-offs that a certain decision makes.


    _____________

    Very good. Many ENTJs refuse to accept this, for some reason, instead believing themselves to be supermen.

    They do not like admitting weakness or even the possibility that it exists. It's threatening.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

  5. #15
    Senior Member Jaguar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    12,444

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Very good. Many ENTJs refuse to accept this, for some reason, instead believing themselves to be supermen.

    They do not like admitting weakness or even the possibility that it exists. It's threatening.

    That's not what you said when you were pounding on my door last night.

  6. #16
    pathwise dependent FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w8
    Socionics
    ENTj
    Posts
    5,908

    Default

    IM NOT WEAK, DO YOU UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT WEAK
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

  7. #17
    HAHHAHHAH! INTJ123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESFP
    Socionics
    ESFP
    Posts
    777

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    1. What if leveling up involves learning to make trade offs? Ie the very traits that make ENTJs so great in business can make then unlucky in Fe/Fi. Perhaps the leveling up is making the trade offs at the appropriate interval. In this sense, even the "trade off"rs learn to 'level up.

    2. I think your basing way too much ENTJ negative stigma on the one jack ass ENTJ you talk to on that other forum. Really, I sense a bit of arrogance in your many posts when you "expose" the entjs for all that they are :rolleyes2:

    dont paint with such a wide brush. Not all ENTJs are so full of themselves.
    Yea most of them are full of themselves.

  8. #18
    pathwise dependent FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w8
    Socionics
    ENTj
    Posts
    5,908

    Default

    Well, how can't you be full of yourself when you're so close to god?

    I think perceivers have a worse understand of when judgers are just bullshitting. When I'm not at class/work, most of what I say is complete rubbish (not in the sense that they're lies, but they're comments not to be taken seriously).
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

  9. #19
    Senior Member substitute's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    4,601

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, how can't you be full of yourself when you're so close to god?

    I think perceivers have a worse understand of when judgers are just bullshitting. When I'm not at class/work, most of what I say is complete rubbish (not in the sense that they're lies, but they're comments not to be taken seriously).
    yeah, I've learned not to underestimate the issues that can be caused by misunderstanding another person's sense of humour... or how easy it is to do that.
    Ils se d�merdent, les mecs: trop bon, trop con..................................MY BLOG!

    "When it all comes down to dust
    I will kill you if I must
    I will help you if I can" - Leonard Cohen

  10. #20
    Senior Member Kangol's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    126

    Default

    I don't agree that there is a necessary trade-off between J and P, but this is from my perception of the mbti dichotomies.

    I believe someone who has a firm sense of their beliefs on which they can act readily, plan efficiently, and remain unwavering in difficult situations to have strong J values. However, I believe if that person were to also be able to assess the situation from all relevantly significant perspectives, be able to adapt to new and unforeseen circumstances calmly, and have little difficulty accepting the plausibility of others' differing opinions, they would also have strong P values.

    This balance of strong, positive J and P values would result in a balanced score on the mbti test dichotomy. I believe it to also be an ideal in personalities in regard to the J/P aspect, as such balanced people have the strengths associated with both sides of the dichotomies. In this sense, I think the ENTJ is right. Perhaps he (she?) is in this way admitting his own faults, and that a person more balanced along the dichotomies would be an ideal. This doesn't negate the potential fact that he's a pompous ass, but it also doesn't mean he's not right.

Similar Threads

  1. For the iNtuitives, do you have many friends outside of your age group/generation?
    By Samvega in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 01-12-2016, 11:08 PM
  2. do you have to be aware of the trends to be a hipster?
    By prplchknz in forum The Fluff Zone
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 03-15-2014, 02:41 PM
  3. [ENFP] Do You Have a Strange Sense of Humor?
    By Chiharu in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 41
    Last Post: 01-09-2013, 03:14 PM
  4. [MBTItm] Do you have any concrete examples of ISTJ vs ISFJ?
    By SinneDeelie in forum The SJ Guardhouse (ESFJ, ISFJ, ESTJ, ISTJ)
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 05-03-2011, 11:22 AM
  5. Do we have a "right" to the organs of the dead?
    By heart in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 07-23-2007, 05:15 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO