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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Anyways perhaps NTP girls are seen more as tomboys and therefore people stereotype them. When they do this they act towards the girl in a more aggressive way. NTP girls are just not 'girly'.
    Tis just one theory
    well, some of my male friends have commented that this kind of phenomenon might be due to the fact that I LOOK very feminine and maybe even a bit girly... and then argue men to the corner, bringing out all the inconsistencies they make :P
    so there is sort of a contradiction to them and that might make some men insecure.

    also, once a guy started to really brag and be a wannabe-alpha male... I mean, really, I had a mental image of an animal trying to somehow protect his territory... and his arguments were directly against me being a woman and therefore not knowing anything. so I listened to him for a while, head tilted to my side and ended the argument saying "yea, but mine is still bigger than yours..." (it doesn't sound that good in english, I'm afraid). somehow it shut him up and he has never tried to argue since. wonder why...
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    Im a male and I get lots of male agression too.

    Its called being an asshole, I just dont hide it behind my gender and call it sexism.
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    Personally I don't mind this at all. Actually I find it attractive to some degree since I don't having too much agreebalness around. Plus I really don't mind if "average guy" ends up looking stupid.


    I have studied female NTs and it looks that in most cases they are NTs first and only after that comes the female part.

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    I've never had a male threaten violence against me for debating (well, except one family member, but that's mostly brought on by reasons other than gender). I think the reason for this is that, in general, the only types of people I will engage in debate with are reasonably intelligent. And nobody who is reasonably intelligent will threaten people with physical violence over non-physical disagreements. In other words, I completely avoid anyone who is stupid enough to be threatened by women or by arguments with women (to the point that they'd resort to physical aggression.) The funny thing is that these types of morons are usually extremely transparent and thus easily avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epp View Post
    well, some of my male friends have commented that this kind of phenomenon might be due to the fact that I LOOK very feminine and maybe even a bit girly... and then argue men to the corner, bringing out all the inconsistencies they make :P
    so there is sort of a contradiction to them and that might make some men insecure.
    I think this applies to all NT females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epp View Post
    well, some of my male friends have commented that this kind of phenomenon might be due to the fact that I LOOK very feminine and maybe even a bit girly... and then argue men to the corner, bringing out all the inconsistencies they make :P
    so there is sort of a contradiction to them and that might make some men insecure.
    e:
    I look very feminine and have been called girly as well That's an interesting perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I've never had a male threaten violence against me for debating (well, except one family member, but that's mostly brought on by reasons other than gender). I think the reason for this is that, in general, the only types of people I will engage in debate with are reasonably intelligent. And nobody who is reasonably intelligent will threaten people with physical violence over non-physical disagreements. In other words, I completely avoid anyone who is stupid enough to be threatened by women or by arguments with women (to the point that they'd resort to physical aggression.) The funny thing is that these types of morons are usually extremely transparent and thus easily avoided.
    I can't really avoid some people I have worked with and because they were a dimwit I was for damn sure not going to let them run the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I thought this was going to be about why NTP females are more aggressive.
    yeah, i thought it was going to be interesting too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tewt View Post
    ntp females - have you noticed males reacting to you more aggressively than other types, regardless of gender?

    I wonder, because I do seem to get a fair amount of male aggression directed towards me in disputes and I wonder sometimes if it is because I don't argue as others might. Where I might look like a male arguing, because I am a female, certain males (not all) have trouble with communication with a female like this. I have also noticed that those same males will be able to argue fairly with a male in a similar dispute, but will react with threatening body language or verbal assasinations when engaged with a female in disputes.

    A friend of mine (intp female) has commented on much of the same, she said she thinks her style in disputes is an affront to some men.

    Of course this is all with the usual disclaimers ***some men*** yadda yadda yadda.
    Yes.

    Men compete with each other. They don't want to have to compete with women too. They are accustomed to women appeasing and flattering them. Smiling and giggling and gawping in awe at their brilliance. The stupid ones take it as an affront to their masculinity if you try to engage with them as an equal. Especially when you know more than they do and don't have the decency to hide it.
    I've encountered reactions varying from mild irritation, to sabotage, to verbal abuse to blind rage. To protect the dignity of the male ego, women are often advised to suggest things in such a way that a man believes it's his idea. Or to feign helplessness so that they can feel superior.
    Fuck that. No one is going to steal my ideas and I have no interest in being helpless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    these types of morons are usually extremely transparent and thus easily avoided.
    Perhaps in academia, I meet them everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tewt View Post
    I can't really avoid some people I have worked with and because they were a dimwit I was for damn sure not going to let them run the place.
    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Perhaps in academia, I meet them everywhere.
    Yes, you are both right. I didn't take into account that there may be many other contexts in which such people would be both more frequent and less avoidable.
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