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    Default I RETURN!!!! (and the people groaned in exasperation)

    WOOT! My computer is back online. Now running with XP/Windows 7 dual boot-y goodness. It sucked going a week with nothing but my iphone for my interwebz addiction.

    Now, time to get back on track with this, if anybody's still interested.

    I really think its coming down to INFP or INTP. Looking through the forums, this seems to be a common point of conflict for folks. Seems the main difference in the two isn't so much in their actions or habits, but how they perceive things and the thought process behind the actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    I would still say INTP. I haven't seen almost any F from you. Just because you're focused on the emotion aspect of reality doesn't mean you don't favor true/false processing.
    I'm actually trying to figure this out myself. Here's the link over to the post I did in the NF forum that started my whole re-evaluation. Please don't anybody post in that one. We finally managed to kill that stupidity. You can read through it if you want to get a feel for my reactions there.
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...xhausting.html
    When I start self-analyzing I detach from myself quite a bit. It makes it easier to figure out my own thoughts, actions, and feelings.

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    As I've stated in the past, I love my tech. I've got a few technical manuals, computer build and security books, and car building books. I've realized I skim through those books for the main points but I'll bury myself in a psychology book or fantasy novel and throw the tech stuff in a corner without a second thought.

    Looking back, I was a gullible little kid. I would believe anything my friends told me just because they were my friends and I trusted them. I had to learn to be skeptical. I still have a very hard time trusting even my closest friends. I'm always caught between wondering what they're really after and wanting to believe they'd never do something like that. I wonder how much of their words are meant to placate me and how much is sincere....I don't like that I do that, hate it in fact, but I've been back-stabbed and left hangin' enough times I can't help it.

    I also have tendency to mimic people or "brain channel" as I've called it on occasion. I take up small habits and phrases they use without really meaning to. I get to the point that I can time some of their phrases and tell when they're going to use that particular phrase. I can make the effort to say it before them or in time with them. With my closer friends, we end up saying the exact same thing at the same time on accident or one of us saying exactly what the other is thinking...Well, its only been two people in my life its happened a lot with. With others, its much more sporadic but it still happens.

    Edit:
    Just saw a post in another forum that brought up another couple of points. One of my friends learned that if your going to give me a compliment you have to follow it up with something sarcastic or I freeze up. Direct compliments kind of shock me, I'm not used to them. It was funny to me when they told me they figured this out because I didn't realize before then that it was completely true.

    I get nervous when I'm doing something new and friends are around. With strangers I don't give a crap, I'll probably never see them again, but with friends I get very self-conscious.

    I had a pretty deep conversation with a friend not too long ago. After it was over, they told me something to the effect of, "Thank you for knowing me better than I know myself". This isn't the first time this has happened and it makes me extremely uncomfortable. I'm afraid I'm digging too deep with them and they don't want to tell me so. I want to dig in and get to know them, help them with their problems, but I've had a tendency to go in too deep too fast on occasion and spooked people or upset them when it wasn't my intention.

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    Thats all I've got time for right now.
    Thoughts anyone?

    P.S. It's good to be back
    Last edited by Phoenix_400; 10-03-2009 at 07:50 PM. Reason: added some stuff.

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    Default Anybody use this?

    Just went took a little cognitive functions test from the link below.
    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/as...velop_old.html

    Got the following results:


    Your Possible Type Code
    According to the traditional sorting method of finding the most-used functional pairs (such as Fi-Ne), your type might be:
    Possible result: INTP

    We are also trying a new sorting method to try to indicate best-fit type. This method is experimental and may not match your type.
    Possible result: INFP

    Your Developmental Curve
    This model attempts to graph a 'developmental curve'. Theoretically, people should choose simpler, less sophisticated aspects of the cognitive processes more often than they choose complex, more sophisticated aspects. The simpler aspects of each process are necessary to perform the more sophisticated aspects! However, because the phrases are in development, this measure has questionable validity.

    Your self-assessment curve = -0.8

    -- A curve less than 0 indicates you checked simpler phrases more often than sophisticated ones. This is expected, although a particularly low number (more than -10) might happen if the phrases were particularly unclear to you, or if you under-estimated your abilities.

    -- A curve greater than 0 indicates you checked sophisticed phrases more often than simpler ones. This would be counter to a developmental model and might happen if many phrases are badly written or if you have over-estimated your capabilities.

    Your Most-Used Processes
    Based on your response, these are your top three cognitive processes in use:

    Ti : Analyzing; categorizing; evaluating according to principles and whether something fits the framework or model; figuring out the principles on which something works; checking for inconsistencies; clarifying definitions to get more precision.

    Fi : Evaluating; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for.

    Ne : Interpreting situations and relationships; picking up meanings and interconnections; being drawn to change 'what is' for 'what could possibly be'; noticing what is not said and threads of meaning emerging across multiple contexts.

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    Well, I'm an INFJ with strong INTP tendencies I think INFJs who are enneagram 5s (5w4 usually...fairly uncommon for this type though...most are 4w5s) can easily be mistaken as NTs...
    In day to day life and especially during interactions with people I'm obliviously an INFJ. When I get into my knowledge/learning mode I'm straight up INTP the majority of the time. Approach knowledge like an INTP, see the world like an INFJ.

    I would assume you're a 5w4.

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    Actually I'm a 5w6. From what I understand, the 6 wing is supposed to make me a bit more people oriented. I've been wondering if that's where it comes from.

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    Took another version of the above test. This one wasn't broken down by function. I like it better like this, its harder to mess yourself up by thinking too hard. A lot of the same questions, just not categorized.

    Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

    Here's my results. Apparently I'm INTP by a hair. This would be much easier if certain functions were less developed. I'm not close enough to either extreme to really say what I am accurately. I still think I switch T/F depending on the circumstances.


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    You look more like INFP to me based off of that test.

    The difference between Ti and Fi for you is negligible, so looking at your next three functions, you're stronger at the INFP top 4 than you are at the INTP top 4.

    (INFP = Fi, Ne, Si, Te; INTP = Ti, Ne, Si, Fe)

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    ^^But his extraverted thinking score is lower than his extraverted feeling. So disregarding the closeness of Ti/Fi, his next three functions seem to be Ne, Si, Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    ^^But his extraverted thinking score is lower than his extraverted feeling. So disregarding the closeness of Ti/Fi, his next three functions seem to be Ne, Si, Fe.
    How did I mix this up when I spelled out the functions for myself? I must have been scanning it quickly and thinking that your Te score was full like your Ti.

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    Pheonix_400, I still think you're probably INFP, but these function order tests are so close between Ti and Fi, that I don't think you're going to come to a final conclusion based on an online test. You're probably going to have to dig deeper into MBTI/Jungian Theory in order to figure out which type you identify more with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    How did I mix this up when I spelled out the functions for myself? I must have been scanning it quickly and thinking that your Te score was full like your Ti.

    Orangey is right.
    This is kind of off topic, but out of curiousity do you score higher on Ne or Se when you take those tests which determine your function preference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post


    This is kind of off topic, but out of curiousity do you score higher on Ne or Se when you take those tests which determine your function preference?
    I usually score about equal on the two. I usually score as an NFJ, but have for the past few weeks been hermiting/GRE studying/picking apart highly dense academic writing (Ti) for classes, and scored as an INTJ for the first time on the CP test just now. Clearly, too much studying and not enough interacting. Usually my Se/Ne/Ti scores are lower, and my Fe/Te is higher. I have nothing to say about my Si except it's taking me weeks to memorize a few basic facts about triangles and whether 0 is an even or odd number, etc. I can always work it out when I think it through, but there's no time on the GRE--you just gotta know and I am about ready to bang my head against the Kaplan book.

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************** (23.3)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) *** (3.8)
    unused
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************** (30.3)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************************** (47.6)
    excellent use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************** (32.3)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************ (36.2)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************** (22.1)
    limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************************** (44.4)
    excellent use
    *You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
    *Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason once accepted, despite your changing moods.
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