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    Yeah, but I also have N and S, I just don't use them as much. So theoretically, I should be able to use them for that. Occasionally, when I read, for instance, I get a sense of the feeling and I understand what that place must be like. I think I have this capability inside me, I just haven't been able to harness them yet.

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    I'm not saying using Ti is wrong by the way. I enjoy Ti a lot as well. But it's a different form of enjoyment than N/S. And other people rarily relate to that.

    I tend to ignore Ti a bit and go N/S impressionism mode whenever I'm tired though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Because impressionism is created and has as a purpose to supply N or S. And usually aims at an emotion or feeling. Movies are the same, good movies are put together to portray emotion and feeling. Ti tends to look past that, and measures a lot of the detail. And by doing that, you ignore the impression, while watching the movie. And are much more interested in the plot, details and such. While missing the overall feeling the movie was supposed to portray.

    At least, that's what Ti does for me. I've watched movies with people that were like, omg, such an awesome movie. And I was like, but this and that and yada yada. And they're like, dude, what the heck were you paying attention to anyhow, now I need to re-watch it because I have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm like, weren't we watching the same movie?
    I agree with you. I think Ti is more involved or impressed with arrangement and capability, rather than the emotions displayed in art. Concept over feeling I suppose.

    In a musical sense, I liken Ti to being more supportive of a composer, as opposed to a lyricist/poet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    I'm not saying using Ti is wrong by the way. I enjoy Ti a lot as well. But it's a different form of enjoyment than N/S. And other people rarily relate to that.

    I tend to ignore Ti a bit and go N/S impressionism mode whenever I'm tired though.

    Watch a movie when you're tired, and voila?
    I didn't think you said it was wrong. It's just that I'm interested in different ways in seeing things. I love Ti, but I wonder about its limits. Moreover, I wonder if use of it can alienate people because it's often seen as pretentious.

    You know, when I was in college, and pulled all-nighters, I felt like I appreciated songs before. They seemed to get me more much more emotional. In fact, I seemed much more emotional in general. I never tried this on movies, though.


    Hmm, I wonder if alcohol could do that....

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    Have you considered applying this approach to other areas? Instead of seeing facial expression as "emotion," try seeing it as a movement of muscle tissue controlled by a chemical machine inside the head. You can even look in a mirror for this exercise.

    And now it suddenly dawns on us as to why F is sometimes compared to N.

    Anyways, to appreciate art, I've always tried to personify it. If the art were alive, what would it tell me? What would it have to show? After this question is answered, another one follows: Who is to say that it need be alive to speak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Because impressionism is created and has as a purpose to supply N or S. And usually aims at an emotion or feeling. Movies are the same, good movies are put together to portray emotion and feeling. Ti tends to look past that, and measures a lot of the detail. And by doing that, you ignore the impression, while watching the movie. And are much more interested in the plot, details and such. While missing the overall feeling the movie was supposed to portray.

    At least, that's what Ti does for me. I've watched movies with people that were like, omg, such an awesome movie. And I was like, but this and that and yada yada. And they're like, dude, what the heck were you paying attention to anyhow, now I need to re-watch it because I have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm like, weren't we watching the same movie?
    This is an interesting take on it and helps possibly explain some things I've noticed about myself when I look at art,listen to music or watch film. When looking at paintings, I'll notice the patterns of the brush strokes. When listening to music, I'll hear changes in notes. When watching films, I'll pick up on plot points. When I look at any type of art,it's almost as if I have to first get past the analysis of how it was done before I can step back and look at it as a whole and determine if it's pleasing or not.

    Consequently my friends hate when I pick apart a film after we watch it. What really gets them is if I say "I liked it" after all the nitpicking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Because impressionism is created and has as a purpose to supply N or S. And usually aims at an emotion or feeling. Movies are the same, good movies are put together to portray emotion and feeling. Ti tends to look past that, and measures a lot of the detail. And by doing that, you ignore the impression, while watching the movie. And are much more interested in the plot, details and such. While missing the overall feeling the movie was supposed to portray.

    At least, that's what Ti does for me. I've watched movies with people that were like, omg, such an awesome movie. And I was like, but this and that and yada yada. And they're like, dude, what the heck were you paying attention to anyhow, now I need to re-watch it because I have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm like, weren't we watching the same movie?
    RAmen.

    This may or may not be related to the topic at hand, but I used to "do art"... And I was very good at it. I often won awards and was able to meet the Marlins (not that I cared because I'm not athletic at all nor do I have any type of interest in sports); I even went to an art magnet school. Even at nine I was able to draw realistic faces, but at around 11 I stopped. Went cold turkey and I haven't picked up a pencil since. This was around the time when I became more interested in theories and the history of the world... and when I began to find science "fascinating"; so I guess my T was developing and something that I had as a child was disintegrating into nothingness. Honestly, I'm convinced that I started out as an ISFP and something changed in me.

    Anyway, ever since I cannot understand art at all. The majority of the time it makes absolutely no sense to me. I often catch myself trying to pull apart each and every piece (this includes films) or I just think it's completely stupid. Honestly, I think that my Te is to blame. I just cannot sit back and be expected to enjoy a film or piece of "art" without trying to understand the reason behind it. And then when I am done analyzing something, I come to the conclusion that it's meaningless and I quickly dismiss it.

    Honestly, we think too much to truly appreciated "art" (if that is what it is) films, etc.

    [edit] example, I took a picture of this "thing" and I can't figure out WTF it is supposed to be. Am I supposed to feel something?

    Between that cigarillo and sticking my finger down my throat to see if I could DT, I feel like puking RN.

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    I think paperoceans gets to the crux of the matter with me, although I personally am less likely to dismiss at as "meaningless". More often I assume that I'm just missing something.

    I feel as though an SP or NF would be better able to appreciate something like what's above. Keep in mind, it's not that I don't want to appreciate it. It's more that, more often than not, I'm missing something. I'd be really curious to know how an SP or an NF might view art.

    (I'm inclined to think an SJ might just dismiss it as weird, although I may be wrong.)

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    That's odd, considering music is the only thing that actually gets a reaction out of me nowadays(or any time, to be honest). Maybe it's just an INTP thing(Although I doubt it, and I'm just an odd case.) I have no idea what the hell that thing is and why anyone would pay anything to get that hunk of junk on a pedestal. For all there is, Modern art consists of this:

    (Yes, this is an actual painting.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamathousandapples View Post
    That's odd, considering music is the only thing that actually gets a reaction out of me nowadays(or any time, to be honest). Maybe it's just an INTP thing(Although I doubt it, and I'm just an odd case.) I have no idea what the hell that thing is and why anyone would pay anything to get that hunk of junk on a pedestal. For all there is, Modern art consists of this:

    (Yes, this is an actual painting.)
    Well, it certainly displays the concept of something being completely enveloping all else. Instead of shades of red or yellow, we have this one color engulfing all and removing creativity. Reddish colors being related to rage, this painting displays how all of the beauty in one's life can be destroyed by rage. It consumes all and takes on the nature of that which it consumes.

    And now, what I've been dying to say:
    You SURE someone just didn't take a picture of a wall?
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