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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    INTJs are far from defenseless against the "debating style" of ENTPs, who make a rapid series of non-related deductions in an effort to "blitzkrieg" somebody out of the debate, which after the eventual realization that all of the ENTP's points are irrelevant, slowly turns in favor of the INTJ. ENTPs hold almost no water in longer debates.

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    Well, it is no surprise that ENTPs are the weakest of the four rational types. Look at you lot...
    This is such a dumb argument, on both sides.

    This is getting ridiculous now. "Rational type" does not equal intelligence, for any of the 4 types. Any person can be irrational or uneducated, just as a person of any type can be the opposite. There are just as many idiot INTPs as there are brilliant ESFJs, type has nothing to do with it.

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    This thread is retarded.

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    In retrospect, I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    All of the ENTPs I know IRL have this permanent condescending tone to their voice. It's like their default mode.
    Yeah, lol, even IME. They seem to be always "explaning something" to people. I'm not sensitive about my intelligence and knowledge, so I don't care, but I know that more sensitive people are really annoyed, since it seems like they're conveying "how do you not know this? Are you stupid?".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    So because somebody looks from many perspectives at once, it is impossible to keep a clear view on the goal? What exactly are you getting at? What so called "perspective" am I failing to consider? Simply because I dismiss erroneous claims that have nothing to do with the topic does not make me ignorant of somebody else's opinion.
    Relevance is not limited by your own myopia, but you knew that already, didn't you?

    You are proving my point right now, by your invective commentary and irrational clinging to your volatile opinions.
    Or just defending a position. You know, people do that. It's a good way to sharpen your discussion and debate skills, but you knew that already, didn't you?

    I've seen you make this bizarre claim several time now, and I am still unsure as to its intended purpose. What is my "already decided" answer? You make it seem as if views spontaneously appear in my mind without any prior research and observation. Does this make any sense whatsoever? Are you serious when you type this drivel?
    Or it could just be a mutual misunderstanding on how ideas form. Ideas do just randomly appear in an ENTP's head; that's the nature of Ne. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    Looking at something from many perspectives is completely useless when one doesn't know how to draw logical conclusions. No wonder ENTPs like you become so indecisive and make blunders that you later take back (which you yourself have claimed), you are incapable of staying objective and on point!
    Of course, logic is variable based on a whole galaxy of factors, and when one remains so myopic to not see the freight train that will come from behind as the effect of one conclusion, you'll be on point - the point of a locomotive. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    Again, my decisions must be magically implanted into my head.
    They are subjected to your own biases, but you knew that already, didn't you?

    So this is why ENTPs are frequently flighty and incoherent! You mindlessly strive for different options without any set goal in mind, failing to look at your own analysis properly.

    Thank you for clarifying that.
    Or, there is validity to keeping options open, since constancy leads to stagnation. Having others critique one's analysis leads to greater precision than would be available to a single person, due to varying perspectives and experiences. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    No, ENTPs don't just "believe" you when you present them logic and proof, they become passive aggressive and begin accusing you of refusing to listen to them. Typical Ad hominem attacks, which you yourself seem to be very familiar with.
    Or they could be challenging you to defend your position, and retreating into petty sniping about perceived personal slights or obstinate refusal to consider varying viewpoints constitutes a clear failure of defense. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    Eh, doesn't this apply to everyone? Clear and logical reasoning is fundamental to proving your assertions.
    No, all it does is prove that the logic is sound. It's still got to empirically work before it's proven. Phlogiston was logically sound given the knowledge of that era - still doesn't mean oxygen didn't exist then. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    It's funny that you would mention providing evidence, since I've seen many ENTPs accept and present anecdotal evidence without second thought.
    And... your point? One anecdote doesn't prove an assertion, but a whole collection of anecdotes is called a trend, which is usually a damn good sign of something being there. But you knew that already, didn't you?

    If one doesn't have a clear and rational point, they will invariably "look bad," regardless of who is "parading you around as little more than a dancing monkey."
    Categorically untrue. The ones who look bad are the ones who can't help but be assholes in their assertions, even if they are true. How many times have you come off looking like the jerk while everyone else is defending someone acting in an irrational way? You definitely knew this already.
    This is an outright personal attack, and I have no idea where to go from here. It is entirely besides the point, and if you feel like delving into a dull and tasteless battle of pointing out each others' speculated character flaws, I would rather just avoid it.

    I ask you once more, what perspective am I unable to consider?
    The perspective that you're not right in this circumstance? Observations aren't always personal attacks... do I even have to continue?

    INTJs are far from defenseless against the "debating style" of ENTPs, who make a rapid series of non-related deductions in an effort to "blitzkrieg" somebody out of the debate, which after the eventual realization that all of the ENTP's points are irrelevant, slowly turns in favor of the INTJ. ENTPs hold almost no water in longer debates.
    You don't know that. Prove it. It's likely they've just gotten bored with your incessant droning about an ultimately insignificant point. Continue the litany...

    Ad hominem, bare assertion, and a straw man!

    Well, it is no surprise that ENTPs are the weakest of the four rational types. Look at you lot...
    And it's no surprise that most people on here think your style of argumentation is completely insufferable. Projection much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Ad hominem, bare assertion, and a straw man!

    Well, it is no surprise that ENTPs are the weakest of the four rational types. Look at you lot...
    Get your head out of your ass before posting please?
    I was simply reusing the level of bias of the post i was mirroring/responding to.

    And since you're so rational, define weakest ?
    If you go for the degree to which they stick to rational thinking/stay 'unbiased' entj lose that battle
    And if you consider the creation of new view points and concepts, the inferance of new theories relying on base principles Ne is very much more of an 'NT trait' than Ni.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

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    There's this 'normal' somewhat amusing (sometimes) brand of ENTP condescension and then, there's the super-*sshole-few-people-can-stand (check out the blond/brunette? guy being interviewed) brand of ENTP condescension.

    Fortunately, the latter are outnumbered by the former.

    Unfortunately, the latter do a fab job of tarring the rest of their kin.

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    The issue here is intelligence related, not type related?
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    ^ Would you care to explain?

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    Condenscending, outspokenly, is not native to the type ENTP any more that it is to any other type in the NT temperament.

    Generally, the more intelligent a person is. The less that person feels the need to be condenscending. Condenscending is, at least I always thought, a defensive mechanism of ones incapable intelligence. The need to prove oneself on an area, because they know they lack on so many others, compared to other people. As compensation.
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