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[NT] ENTP's and INTP's

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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Anyone ever met an ENTP that they were just really glad they knew? I feel as though ENTP's manage to be interested in much of the things INTP's are interested in, but they make it seem cool. I feel as though INTP's have things to learn from ENTP's.

I'd like to ask the ENTP's if they've ever had friendships with the INTP, and what they felt they got out of it.
 

Fluffywolf

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I can't say that I have.

My brother is an ENTP.

Although I know a 74 year old ENTP with whom I recently engaged in all kinds of really fun discussions. His ideas are all based mainly on his own experiences and has some pretty unique ideas. But he's just fun to pass time with.

No ENTP's I'm 'really glad I know'.
 

jenocyde

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Anyone ever met an ENTP that they were just really glad they knew? I feel as though ENTP's manage to be interested in much of the things INTP's are interested in, but they make it seem cool. I feel as though INTP's have things to learn from ENTP's.

I'd like to ask the ENTP's if they've ever had friendships with the INTP, and what they felt they got out of it.

I've gotten quite close with an INTP lately and I get so much out of it. I never have to explain myself and when random thoughts pop out of my mouth, I get a detailed (and adorably nerdy) email later about how we can bring the idea to fruition. And somehow we manage to diffuse each other's neuroses. It's a constant cycle of hyping each other up and we take turns depending on each other. It's really so cool and feels like the most natural thing in the world.

Also, wrote this a while ago about a more socially comfortable INTP:

I love the hell out of you crazy weird bastards. I have one cousin who is INTP and he's my favorite person in the world. He's actually a bit more extroverted due to age and life's circumstances, and he's got creativity seeping out of every pore. We're probably the only people that can keep up with each other. Ideas fly and bounce all over the place when we are together. He shuts my hair brained schemes down with a quickness, detailing exactly how I will fail, but with such a fierceness and intensity that all I can do is laugh laugh laugh. He's got charm for days.

He suffers from a severe addiction, but when he is sober (currently 2+ years, yay!!!!), there is no one on the planet I'd rather be with. He knows instantly how to charmingly defuse situations that I find myself in. He's extremely, painfully self-aware - which led him down that dark path to begin with - but he's also very talented, smart and cunning. He's knows the ins and outs of everything. Growing up, all of us kids always said he's the only one we feel comfortable with being lost in the woods or stranded on an island. He can get out of any situation. I remember very clearly how he got us out of being robbed at gunpoint, using his charm. He's always 2 steps ahead of me, mentally. I guess because I'm so busy talking that I don't always pay attention... He can also maneuver and charm his way into any situation. Like a silent grim reaper. But he is his own worst enemy.

When he wasn't sober, he used his powers for evil, creating all kinds of innovative situations to get money to feed the beast. I hated it, but also secretly admired his genius.

As kids, we used to come up with all the craziest schemes, and I was always the one forcing them to come to fruition when he'd be most comfortable in the sketching it out phase. He sees things I can't imagine and I bring his ideas to the next level, which hypes him up even more. It's really the coolest feeling when we are together. He's the only one who 'gets' me and always finds humor in the same things that I do, once I point it out what's actually funny.

Once I get on a roll with a new passion, he always slows me down and makes me learn about it step by step before I hurt myself. I feel like he's always teaching me something, and for that I am eternally grateful... He taught me how to drive when he was 13 and I was 11 - but even more important, he taught me how sneak the car in and out undetected. He taught me the mechanics of painting, photography and tennis, and all the secret tips he learned from intense observation.

I know quite a few INTPs and they are all so damn awesome. Even though you guys are full of self-doubt, I have the ultimate faith in you and your abilities.

It's funny, most INTPs I know can't shut up around me. As much as I need my downtime, they seem to cling to me and never give me a moment to myself. In a way, I kinda like that. You guys rock.

Yeah, one thing about INTPs is the chattiness, which we ENTPs get accused of... But seriously, I can't even begin to compete with you guys when you get all textbooky.
 

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By the way, my previous statement related purely to ENTP's I know in real life. Which are 3 people I know are ENTP. And a few I suspect of being ENTP.

*wink wink nudge nudge*
 

Julius_Van_Der_Beak

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Yeah, one thing about INTPs is the chattiness, which we ENTPs get accused of... But seriously, I can't even begin to compete with you guys when you get all textbooky.

Come to think of, it I can get very chatty on occasion. Especially if I'm really curious about something and I'm with someone who I know will tolerate this.

I don't think I'm one of the more "socially comfortable" INTP's out there, but I'm working on it.

I'm curious to know, if as an ENTP, are you better with action? Do you spend less time just thinking about stuff? Or do you think through action?
 

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everyone wants to meet an ENTP lady until they actually meet us :yim_rolling_on_the_
 

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I'm curious to know, if as an ENTP, are you better with action? Do you spend less time just thinking about stuff? Or do you think through action?

Planing and connecting, imagining all the possible outcomes is a feat of Ne, threfore yes. But I personally often do it in the process. So while sitting in the boat that is carried down the river by the current, you plan ahead the next 10 minutes.

On the topic of being a friend with an intp, I have to say I have no personal experience in my immediate surroundings, or none that I am aware of. And when it comes to this forum, I imagined INTPs to be my buddy in war, when push comes to show. It turned out that I managed to receive multiple infractions after answering to INTP posts.

Therefore I am convinced, at least for the general stereotype presented on this forum that I am too touchy for them.
 

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Anyone ever met an ENTP that they were just really glad they knew?

yes. i enjoy the company of all the entps i know. we're from the same planet. ive been best friends with an entp for over 6 years.


I feel as though ENTP's manage to be interested in much of the things INTP's are interested in, but they make it seem cool.

eh?

I feel as though INTP's have things to learn from ENTP's.

sure: that not everyone on the planet is insane, just most.

I'd like to ask the ENTP's if they've ever had friendships with the INTP, and what they felt they got out of it.

the entps finally have someone to socialise with who understands them and lets them be themselves. i imagine entps curb their own eccentricity as they're somewhat dependent on being accepted. we stimulate each other.

a problem area comes from their inferior functions. the intp might sometimes be annoyed by the entp's lack of practicality (Si). and the entp might feel unloved due to the intp's inferior Fe. i know - but only through reflection - that i've missed some vital "i need love/im in a mess" cues from my entp bff and she drifts from me because of it. she says to other people that she doesn't talk to m about her personal problems because i don't care, but im not sure if she fully believes it. maybe her Fe is craving someone to jump up and down with her pointlessly in the drama hall.
 

Ulaes

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I imagined INTPs to be my buddy in war, when push comes to show. It turned out that I managed to receive multiple infractions after answering to INTP posts.

Therefore I am convinced, at least for the general stereotype presented on this forum that I am too touchy for them.

hmm, i think your forum war buddy is the intj. its the F presence.
 

Ulaes

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although i find that irl, we usually pair off. my entp bff and i would often start some random childish game between each other (totally improv.) and one by one people would take note and the subject of conversation would be broken by, wtf are you two doing?


Yea, could be. I told everyone I do love Provoker but they didnt believe me :D

they must've thought you mispelting provoking.
 

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Haha, gonna write next time Provoker "the bold guy from the farm on the landside with the .48 cal shotgun". And if then someone asks who ? I am just gonna answer too late and add the word Booom to it xD
 

simulatedworld

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Anyone ever met an ENTP that they were just really glad they knew? I feel as though ENTP's manage to be interested in much of the things INTP's are interested in, but they make it seem cool. I feel as though INTP's have things to learn from ENTP's.

I'd like to ask the ENTP's if they've ever had friendships with the INTP, and what they felt they got out of it.

You're apparently one of the few INTPs who doesn't have his head too far up his ass to recognize the wealth of things he can learn from ENTPs, so congrats on that.

You're right, we do make a lot of the things you do seem cooler because we have better command of Ne and thus can connect the ideas to the external world more effectively.

My best friend since 7th grade is an INTP and I try to pick up clues on how to better utilize Ti from him. He sometimes uses me as an example for better Ne, but largely just doesn't even understand the value in Ne and would rather hide away in Ti-land until the cows come home.

I think this is representative of a broader trend of INTPs failing to recognize that any process other than Ti ever has any value.

In truth, ENTP and INTP can teach each other more than any other type because they are just two sides of the same person. Each should study the other in order to learn his auxiliary function more effectively.

But don't try and tell that to INTPs--to them we're just the loud flighty inconsistent version of themselves who talks too much. They see the decreased precision created by weaker Ti, but somehow completely miss the vastly improved abstract connectivity allowed by stronger Ne! My INTP friend does recognize that I'm better at certain things than he is, but I find it very difficult to explain them to him because he refuses to accept any explanation that can't be translated directly into Ti terms, which is horribly limiting. As Einstein (ironically himself an INTP) pointed out:

No problem can be solved from the level of consciousness which created it.

If most INTPs really understood Ne on anywhere the level that we do (or even acknowledged its fucking value in the first place!), they'd pay a lot more attention to our techniques, and thus would be able to improve upon their chronic social awkwardness and self-defeating tendencies. (Let me guess--"BUT WHAT LOGICAL REASON IS THERE FOR ME TO TRY THAT??")

Unfortunately most INTPs are so good at Ti-ing their way out of whatever problem they want until they short circuit themselves into believing it's not even a problem, many don't even recognize the potential value in these changes. Makes me rather frustrated with you at times.

I think mainly you overvalue Ti to such absurd proportions that you shy away from your auxiliary Ne because you're NEVER willing to sacrifice precision for broader abstract connectivity, and it's very silly at times. Logical precision is not always priority #1, just in case you hadn't heard. :hi:


No ENTP's I'm 'really glad I know'.

Case in point.
 

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Case in point.

If I were you I'd first ask what ENTP's I know in real life before you start making a case in point. For starters, you don't know any of them. And secondly, No ENTP is the same as the next ENTP. That said, I also said I don't know many ENTP's at all, but from the ones I do know I made my conclusion. I never said there is no potential for me to like an ENTP.

The main ENTP in my life. (brother). Is very unhealthy, stressy, stubborn and makes up lies and stories non stop. The other ENTP's I know I only know superficially, and therefor can't say I am glad I know them. I just know them, but I have no formed opinion about them.
 
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