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    I find that many descriptions seem to be biased, favoring the J. Stuff like 'they are usually more productive', 'they are always punctual', 'they are hard-working people of determination and follow-through' is fine, yes - thank goodness for such people in tha world.

    However, what about the Ps? things like 'Perceivers are a Judger's worst nightmare' and 'they tend to turn up late, if at all, earning them a reputation for being unreliable' are so negative. come on, guys, you've got to have something good to say about Ps.

    so let it roll.

    MAKE OUR DAY.

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    It's all about the Pness on this forum. Just look around...

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    We can help those who are wound up way too tight to unwind and relax....teach them to laugh, not take themselves so seriously and enjoy the here and now or the abstract.


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    Interesting. I've read some things about da Vinci and other notable P's that has indicated that this trait is a part of their genius. If da Vinci (just as one example) had been a J and made sure that he pumped out one great piece of work every week or every month (or even every year) - put any type of schedule or "routine" on it that you wish - if he had been on a schedule or routine at all - his works would have ended up being something completely different than what they are. It was the fact that he never thought they were complete (they were always "works in progress") and that he didn't treat these things as "work" - something to be grinded out like a production plant full of conveyor belts - that made his work what it was.

    I'm reading a great book right now that talks about how many people "will themselves" to work hard and will themselves to do this and do that. An example would be that you see that you are not doing your best in some area (being respectful to your parents, being the best father or husband you can be, or whatever else it may be). So, recognizing this, you make up your bloody mind to change and you "will yourself" to do better. But, this forging forward on your own becomes oppressive. It becomes a difficult task that we do begrudgingly. "OK honey...I don't want you to get mad and I want to be a good husband, so I'll take out the trash." Meanwhile you're cursing under your breath on your way to the trash can because your heart isn't in it (which is often the case with careers). It's this forging forward and willing yourself that, although productive in a practical sense, causes one to not stop and think. Always forging forward. Always having to complete something. Never stopping to contemplate the true meaning behind something. Why should we treat our spouse better? Why should we respect our parents, no matter how utterly boring they may be?

    I'm not saying that J's aren't capable of thinking these things through, but I am saying that P's have more of a tendency to do this. These things are important. To think through and arrive at the meaning behind some action or some thing we ought to do or improve on.

    In short, a J may produce, produce, produce. Sell books, bring their work to full production (and lots of it, throughout a lifetime), while a P isn't so concerned about what sells or how he makes a living. He's more concerned about the process. In this book, the author says it is precisely things like worrying if my writing will sell or if people will really like it that kills creativity. Deadlines kill creativity. Just write. Just be creative from the core of who you are. Anxiety, fear of the opinion of others, deadlines, checklists of things to do, and "willing ourselves" to do something kills the creative process. If you sit down with pen in hand to write while thinking "I wonder if this will pay when it's published" or "Oh, how will I pay my bills with this?" then you might as well get up from your chair and go get a 9 to 5 because the writing won't be authentic and it won't be creative. It will be forced and the process will be tiring and feel like "work". If you simply sit down and write and share your gift from the center of who you are (writing from an honest and worry free place), then your writing will absolutely and automatically be good. The 2 things (forging forward by pure effort and the creative process) do not go hand in hand. If you want to make a comfortable, steady living, then get a job doing something that is comfortable and steady. End of story. If you want to be creative, on the other hand, then don't worry too much about things like "comfort" and "steady", but just create - and let things develop in your mind and imagination. Contemplate. Ponder. Take long walks by yourself. Take a drive somewhere. Lay on the couch and let your mind wander. It is in these places where ideas are born. And these types of activities are productive for the P-type. Reading about things that don't help creativity aren't necessarily productive. But, spending time in a place that will aid creative thoughts (if being creative is what you desire) is indeed productive.

    May sound fluffy, but I believe it.

    Oh, and a side note to this: I sometimes drink caffeine while I write. The author warns against this. She says that by drinking caffeine, you are trying to "speed up" the natural creative process. Your ideas are only at point A and you're trying to get them to point C. Let them develop on their own time. Don't force. Let yourself be a "P"!

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    I totally agree! ^

    ps: I can totally see your Pness haha


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    Quote Originally Posted by luminous beam View Post
    I totally agree! ^

    ps: I can totally see your Pness haha


    LOL.

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    I don't believe that Ps are any less "productive" or anything like that. They just have more fluctuations and are more dependent on the status of the external environment to be activated, but in the right state and right environment they can easily outperform Js by a large measure.
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    I like Ps. They go well with pasta and have lots of fiber, but the gassiness... Ugh. Ps, stop it with the gassiness, or I'll be forced to like green beans more than you.
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    P-types virtues... (there was 2 of us at work v's 28 J's)

    Sence of fun and advenute... handling challenges like new adventures, making the mundane seem much more interesting...

    Make communications seem interesting and engaging....

    Are open to other ideas... think beyond the spectum of where the problem is.

    Makes people laugh because they are goofy

    More inclined to be accepting of other peoples foibles

    Can think of new and intersting activities to do

    Can think into spaces J tpes can't

    Don't get twitchy when others bend the rules

    Enjoy being a rebell

    Can be a bit of a maveric

    snuff for now, will think some more

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Interesting. I've read some things about da Vinci and other notable P's that has indicated that this trait is a part of their genius. If da Vinci (just as one example) had been a J and made sure that he pumped out one great piece of work every week or every month (or even every year) - put any type of schedule or "routine" on it that you wish - if he had been on a schedule or routine at all - his works would have ended up being something completely different than what they are. It was the fact that he never thought they were complete (they were always "works in progress") and that he didn't treat these things as "work" - something to be grinded out like a production plant full of conveyor belts - that made his work what it was.

    I'm reading a great book right now that talks about how many people "will themselves" to work hard and will themselves to do this and do that. An example would be that you see that you are not doing your best in some area (being respectful to your parents, being the best father or husband you can be, or whatever else it may be). So, recognizing this, you make up your bloody mind to change and you "will yourself" to do better. But, this forging forward on your own becomes oppressive. It becomes a difficult task that we do begrudgingly. "OK honey...I don't want you to get mad and I want to be a good husband, so I'll take out the trash." Meanwhile you're cursing under your breath on your way to the trash can because your heart isn't in it (which is often the case with careers). It's this forging forward and willing yourself that, although productive in a practical sense, causes one to not stop and think. Always forging forward. Always having to complete something. Never stopping to contemplate the true meaning behind something. Why should we treat our spouse better? Why should we respect our parents, no matter how utterly boring they may be?

    I'm not saying that J's aren't capable of thinking these things through, but I am saying that P's have more of a tendency to do this. These things are important. To think through and arrive at the meaning behind some action or some thing we ought to do or improve on.

    In short, a J may produce, produce, produce. Sell books, bring their work to full production (and lots of it, throughout a lifetime), while a P isn't so concerned about what sells or how he makes a living. He's more concerned about the process. In this book, the author says it is precisely things like worrying if my writing will sell or if people will really like it that kills creativity. Deadlines kill creativity. Just write. Just be creative from the core of who you are. Anxiety, fear of the opinion of others, deadlines, checklists of things to do, and "willing ourselves" to do something kills the creative process. If you sit down with pen in hand to write while thinking "I wonder if this will pay when it's published" or "Oh, how will I pay my bills with this?" then you might as well get up from your chair and go get a 9 to 5 because the writing won't be authentic and it won't be creative. It will be forced and the process will be tiring and feel like "work". If you simply sit down and write and share your gift from the center of who you are (writing from an honest and worry free place), then your writing will absolutely and automatically be good. The 2 things (forging forward by pure effort and the creative process) do not go hand in hand. If you want to make a comfortable, steady living, then get a job doing something that is comfortable and steady. End of story. If you want to be creative, on the other hand, then don't worry too much about things like "comfort" and "steady", but just create - and let things develop in your mind and imagination. Contemplate. Ponder. Take long walks by yourself. Take a drive somewhere. Lay on the couch and let your mind wander. It is in these places where ideas are born. And these types of activities are productive for the P-type. Reading about things that don't help creativity aren't necessarily productive. But, spending time in a place that will aid creative thoughts (if being creative is what you desire) is indeed productive.

    May sound fluffy, but I believe it.

    Oh, and a side note to this: I sometimes drink caffeine while I write. The author warns against this. She says that by drinking caffeine, you are trying to "speed up" the natural creative process. Your ideas are only at point A and you're trying to get them to point C. Let them develop on their own time. Don't force. Let yourself be a "P"!
    Absolutely inspirational post. I sometimes feel very guilty about not 'doing' anything. Not achieving, not completing things, not adhering to a schedule and it actually throws me off. But I'm at my best when I don't worry about such things and just go with my gut. Oddly, I don't feel that what comes forth from that, is actually an achievement. It's..just normal for me, nothing special, or something to be proud of. And maybe that is not the way to look at it. You've given me food for thought.

    Thank you.

    Any chance you can give us the title of the book?
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