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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ99 View Post
    Theres still that much to come. Bloody hell. Well atleast life won't be as boring as i thought it might.
    I know the feeling
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuable_Money View Post
    In all honosty global warming. Not that its not real but the fact that people completely overreacted to it.
    In the grand scheme of things, calling the environmental 'craze' over reacting is like talking about REM sleep for a brain dead patient.
    of course we see the PR side of that thing around us, but lets get real, people are not even able to have different bags for plastics and metals. Most environmental actions are just feel good marketing, selling our own pats back to our 'guilty backs'. Reminds me of traditional christianity where the social ladder is partly replaced by the 'rigteousness ladder' as an alternate mean to acertain social status/dominance.

    But hey it's quite amusing to watch.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    One of my good friends is an ENTP. So ENTP it hurts...
    And his father is a stern military man.
    haha Yeah.
    The OP is accurate in my experience only because I know just one ENTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptunesnet View Post
    One of my good friends is an ENTP. So ENTP it hurts...
    And his father is a stern military man.
    haha Yeah.
    The OP is accurate in my experience only because I know just one ENTP.
    Is your freind a doctor with a cane and an addiction to vicadin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuable_Money View Post
    Is your freind a doctor with a cane and an addiction to vicadin?
    You don't want the 'house is an intj' fanboys to flood this thread do you??!
    (ok i might actually like that alot )
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    In someone's thread that was posted here, an ENTP was described somewhat like that. That is, the "kid" that "leeches" of his big-time parents' wealth.
    I've been contemplating this thread for a while because I can't quite put my finger on why, but, this thread has quite a bit of truths that is applicable to me. I just never associated it with a type. Only my own personal circumstances. Long-winded talking about myself, about to ensue!!!

    First off, my parents are in no way rich, nor very well-off, so there was no monetary leeching. However, I am an only child, and my daily living skills are atrocious (cooking, cleaning, daily upkeep of household, following routine, etc) AND in this way, I have "leeched" off my parents' wealth of caring. For their part, I recognize that they have been enablers to a certain extent, cuz I get a lot of this 'daily living' stuff done for me.

    But, I am very independent, paradoxically. I have been financially independent from my parents since age 18 and have lived away from home since then (school). As my ESxx best friend says, the reason she believes I'm stuck in this 'childhood' when it comes to this arena in my life is because of school. And, I agree with her to a great extent. I'm not stupid, and I have two hands, so if I really, really wanted to, it wouldn't be a huge thing for me to learn and exercise these skills that I'm lacking. It's just that......I have ZERO motivation to take interest in this, and if I don't have motivation, it's hella hard, nay, impossible, for me to put in effort.

    My life's motto: E-F-F-O-R-T. It all comes down to effort, and a justification of WHY to put in said effort. Terrible thing, that! Childish thing, that!

    And, maybe it's something about me, or maybe it's just random chance, but, I'm 'lucky' in life. Living away from home, parents, these daily living skills STILL get taken care of. Others do it for me. But, the thing is, it's not because I ask; I don't know why, but, others do go out of their way to do stuff for me. I complain in general about these daily living stuff, and, my roomie will go out of her way to do it, such that if I'm picking up the garbage to throw it away, she will insist on doing it cuz she knows how much I hate it. And, those rare times, I do throw it out, it's hilarious to see how suprised and indebted these others feel, as if I've performed this great feat, FOR THEM (it's my garbage as well). It's quite a suprise for me. My roomie 'takes care' of a lot of this daily living stuff for me, cooking for me, cleaning the house, etc. And, previous roomies have done the same. Or, random people I encounter in my life. And finally, for the rest of the stuff that goes 'just right' in my life, there's very little planning, my oft said phrase when others question, Q, how will you do this? Q time is up, what will happen to that?
    'something will turn up'...and, it does. Some random things will line themselves up that it's as if the world just presented me with the step by step answers, and I just jump aboard.

    Another example, I had to move, and was just randomly mentioning it to someone in my building and they questioned how I would move with my tiny little car, and then, INSISTED on helping me move with their pick-up truck. They got to my apartment, bright and early (I hadn't even woken up), shook their head that I still wasn't packed, and we got to packing MY stuff together. They haul everything for me, and move me to my new place, even giving me a bedframe that a friend of theirs had but didn't use, cuz I forgot that I didn't have one. They set it up, moved all the furniture in my room as I wanted, and, all with a smile. In return, I bought him and his little daughter ice-cream.

    It's quite weird sometimes, because I don't ever blatantly ask for help, but, I find ways, or ways comes to ME, more accurately, and these trite things in life are just........taken care of, for me.

    So, it's not just my parents, it seems, it's the whole world, that just sometimes appeases me and looks after my comfort. I've yet to figure out exactly how and why this happens....and I am not complaining.

    Basic profile would be something like this.
    Has a good bearing. You know that the person is considerably educated. The person is considerably articulate and you'll know immediately that he came from a good family background in terms of affluence.
    Yes, both my parents are quite well-educated, and I've been in formal education for quite some time now.

    But closer inspection will show you the difference. The person dresses more casually. He isn't the one who would readily acknowledge his parents' wealth (maybe because the accusation of leeching is bad enough).
    I don't really acknowledge my 'formal education' off the bat, unless it's contextually relevant in a conversation; I detest elitism, and will go out of my way against it. I am not a typical girlie-girl in that I don't really like shopping, nor a huge fan of clothes, etc. I will do dress-up when the mood strikes, but, not as an expected everyday norm. I also find this constant motivation of money, earning more and more, the dollar and cents, quite...tacky! I want to earn enough to be comfortable enough to pursue my own whims, that's it (pay someone to take care of my daily living, and I won't care if I live in a little apartment, nor what car I have, none of that is really relevant to me).

    He knows the mindset of a person who has a strong Te, but in reality, he's really anti-corporate himself (sometimes even advocates socialism) and would even advocate the path to least resistance (Ti).

    I have a hunch that if the ENxP person grew up in a Te heavy family, he might see something wrong with the cognitive process (e.g., Te's advocacy of THE ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS), therefore, consequently making himself advocate the polar opposite = Process over results (Ti), or maybe to some people, Fi (the known weak cognitive process of someone having a strong Te).
    My father is an ESTJ, and his Te is quite apparent. Growing up, we clashed because it was my mission to challenge him, every step of the way. But, as I grew up, we sort of found this reluctant admiration for one another. And, connected over Ne - we are good with back-&-forth joking, and, he's very open-minded about promoting independence/get on your own feet, which, whereas my INFP mama would want to coddle me, my dad stopped that, and allowed me to be more free with learning and living life. My father has told my mom that 'even though she's a girl', she can more than hold her own, and he's glad that he never has to worry that I'll ever be duped or used in life. Something about my personality that he sees this 'truth'.

    We just clashed over the, "Do as I say," mentality because as an ENTP, that's our hair-trigger.

    Did any ENxP here feel that at some point (assuming that your parents could be rich Te monsters), you need to develop whatever weakness they have so that there'd be a sense of equilibrium in the family?
    ESTJ/INFP parents - I got a good mix of both personalities, and some big weaknesses from them as well. One thing I got really good at was mediating their personalities because they were sooo polar opposites. Also, being an only child, early on, I got to be very good at mediating others around me, as well. Esp. adults.

    Anyway, I know that NP is quite childish. At first, it was hard for me to embrace this (even if it may be inherent) because I was taught responsibility in life (SJ) way too early. I think this may have caused a sort of drawback in me later in life by rekindling a childish playroom I wish I have more of. I think that's part of what makes me NTP now.
    YES! I was taught early on (ESTJ father) to be reverent of routine, always a scheduled time to watch TV, do homework, etc., and, starting middle school, I consciously started to test the waters by sly rebellion. By the end of high school, it was full-fledged, in your face, rebellion. By the end of university, I found calm and a way to balance the little monster that had been residing in me. He can be a little angel now too. (also discovered the nice way to use [not abuse] Fe)

    As a child, I could connect so easily with adults because of my curiosity in their ideas, discussions. As an adult, I can connect so well with children because of their curiosity and the refreshing ways they look at the world of ideas. There's child-like and childish. I can very well be the latter, but, it's because I'm consciously trying to be so, to piss someone off, or play with them. But, my child-likeness is a very inherent part of me. This doesn't negate that when I clamp on to something, I'm stubborn as fuck, and focused and serious like a little INTJ that could. Living contradiction, that's me. I'd try harder to figure myself out, but, where's the fun in having all the answers?

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    Like Q, this thread applies to me specifically but I don't have the energy right now to delve into all of it. Maybe later, if I remember. I guess you could say that I have never once considered that I could ever fail at anything, which makes me willing to take risks that others would scoff at. Coupled with my lack of attachment to any physical comforts or objects, I really have nothing to lose. And I also have never lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptunesnet View Post
    One of my good friends is an ENTP. So ENTP it hurts...
    And his father is a stern military man.
    haha Yeah.
    The OP is accurate in my experience only because I know just one ENTP.
    Wait, no. This was a lie.
    The truth though is every ENTP I know was a military brat.
    ...Yeah. That's what I meant to say

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