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    Default NTs and Psychological Problems

    I mean, legitimate psychological problems.

    I suppose I should introduce myself... I've been an INFJ up until, oh, maybe a couple months ago. I made the very painless (in fact: wonderfully numbing) transition from F to T. So I haven't visited this side of the forum until today!

    Anyhow, I am diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Nowadays, when I can't back up how I feel with a reasonable, logical explanation, I am incredibly frustrated and feel a loss of control (which just aggravates the anxiety). I've been on medication (Zoloft) for several months, which has helped immensely. But I was having a conversation with my boyfriend tonight (an ENFP) about coming off of the medication, and I found myself becoming very frustrated that I couldn't pinpoint the cause of my anxiety, when I know full well that it's simply genetic and also a chemical imbalance, and that there's only so much I can do to reason myself out of an attack.

    Without getting too personal, how do other NTs deal with psychological issues such as this? What are you able to tell yourself to let it go, or to help you cope?

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    I had a pretty severe eating disorder with mild anxiety disorder when I was about 16 (22 now). I got out of it with sheer will and determination. I also thought this was not going to work out for me in the long haul. So I guess thinking about the bigger picture forced me to realize I had to get out of it, sooner or later. When I started to gain my strength back and my ability to reason, I soon realized that this disorder didn't make any sense and I kicked it pretty quickly after that. I felt like shit the whole time, but I didn't pay much attention to that - I just wanted out.

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    em, no easy answer I'm affraid. Wanting to do something more than the issue it creates is my normal driver to get throught things, this doens't mean the way I do it is particularly health.

    I had a lass at work with anxiety issues (which peaked and troughed throughout the time). The main thing for her was to realise that other people don't care, weren't that interested in her etc. Which sounds weird, but se was hyper consious that other people were overly interested in her (especally when we moved to hot desking).. Once she got that the rest of the team were too busy to be watching her over their shoulders it was less of an issue.

    It's difficult for you because there can be so many different causes. Don't be too harsh on yourself. There is a great book on congnative behavioural therapy I read a few months back that might help you with negative thoughts. And don't worry everyone has those, understanding them and challenging them is what helps people deal with their lives.

    PS - welcome to the dark side... I'm a little concerned about your switch from F to T, it may just be a temporary thing while things get better for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by penelope View Post
    when I know full well that it's simply genetic and also a chemical imbalance, and that there's only so much I can do to reason myself out of an attack.
    Anxiety could be caused by any number of reasons. Some people are just in stressful environments like a bad family, or poverty, or maybe uncertainty about the future etc. Randolph Nesse claims to have "cured" panic attacks in people simply by helping them to internalize the idea that their own nervous systems are merely over reacting to stimuli and causing a fight-or-flight reaction when it isn't necessary. If you can identify where the anxiety derives from, you might be able to overcome it in a similar fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penelope View Post
    I mean, legitimate psychological problems.

    I suppose I should introduce myself... I've been an INFJ up until, oh, maybe a couple months ago. I made the very painless (in fact: wonderfully numbing) transition from F to T. So I haven't visited this side of the forum until today!

    Anyhow, I am diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Nowadays, when I can't back up how I feel with a reasonable, logical explanation, I am incredibly frustrated and feel a loss of control (which just aggravates the anxiety). I've been on medication (Zoloft) for several months, which has helped immensely. But I was having a conversation with my boyfriend tonight (an ENFP) about coming off of the medication, and I found myself becoming very frustrated that I couldn't pinpoint the cause of my anxiety, when I know full well that it's simply genetic and also a chemical imbalance, and that there's only so much I can do to reason myself out of an attack.

    Without getting too personal, how do other NTs deal with psychological issues such as this? What are you able to tell yourself to let it go, or to help you cope?
    How do you know your doctor isnt just telling you you cant help it because selling you pills for the rest of your life is more profitable than teaching you to deal with your anxiety?

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    I was officially diagnosed with General Depression (w/o Schizophrenia) but that seems to be resolved now. (I had to make life changes to alleviate the depression; while there was internal work to be done, there were also external situational pressures I had to change -- I just wasn't able to be happy in the situation I was in.)

    I also had something pretty close to Avoidant disorder by the end; the only reason I don't say for sure I had it is because I consider such disorders to be debilitating and prevent one from functioning... and somehow i still managed to hold down a job and (barely) maintain a family.

    I resolved that mostly through cognitive behavioral therapy driven by myself (lots of reading, lots of introspecting, lots of looking at my life from outside), then lots of entering situations that scared the hell out of me, so I could work through things; along with this came therapy every two weeks for a few years to give me some affirmation and external trustworthy opinion on where I was going.

    EDIT: For a number of years I was on Wellbutrin. That seemed to help curb the symptoms but didn't fix them; I actually had to make hard changes in my life to accommodate that. I was on Effexor for a bit too but just didn't like it, I'm not sure why. It was a pain in the butt to get off of; the side effects of quitting were horrible. Some depression/anxiety is chemical and the drugs help; but often they just merely help ease the symptoms so people can do the hard psychological work.

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    How do you know your doctor isnt just telling you you cant help it because selling you pills for the rest of your life is more profitable than teaching you to deal with your anxiety?
    At the moment, with my 6+ years in the psych industry as a patient, I've never met a therapist or shrink who would do crap like that.

    Most actually took pay/session cuts if they could, in order to help me out, and were underpaid (imo) for their time.

    Such sleazeballs as you mention exist, but I'm not thinking they're the dominant form of the species.
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    Is the NF in strait jackets thread full or something ?


    edit: Hadn't read the OP, and apologize. I have an exam tomorrow tho, so i'll try to participate later.
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    I need to keep focused on projects and goals so that I remain useful to myself. I have terrible issues with depression, and I often feel worthless, neglectful, and guilty for my past actions or inactions. Personal interest in life is the only cure for me, as well as simply enjoying life in the moment without worrying.
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