[NT] Reproduction

[Salt n' pepper]

I was only pointing out the common mistake that you made. "Rational" != "Logical".

However, there are logical reasons, and non logical reasons. Purely emotional reasons doesn't make a lot of sense to me and I'd never act on them, especially when dealing with big decisions like having kids. I think what I mean by rational and logical reasons are reasons outside of ones own emotional needs and wants, like does this actually make sense in a larger scale. Actually, I think that's why I said having kids is selfish, because you're only thinking about what you want and need. And I also think that's why I think adoption makes more sense.

 

[Haphazard]

Still not following how being born in the 3rd world country = ecconomic reason...

More children = more work hands

 

[tinkerbell]

Child labour only contitues a tiny % of the global population, hardly a normal reason in non 3rd world.

I'm not nessesarily buying it's ecconomic reasons play out as a huge driver in 3rd world... less contraception, higher propensity for rapes etc (did you see the knickers for Africa campaign), higher childhood mortality etc...

 

[Salomé]

Child labour only contitues a tiny % of the global population, hardly a normal reason in non 3rd world.

I'm not nessesarily buying it's ecconomic reasons play out as a huge driver in 3rd world... less contraception, higher propensity for rapes etc (did you see the knickers for Africa campaign), higher childhood mortality etc...

Children are a financial asset in many parts of the world. When they become a financial liability, people have fewer of them. See China.
Basic economics.

 

[tinkerbell]

Children are a financial asset in many parts of the world. When they become a financial liability, people have fewer of them. See China.
Basic economics.

Children may be an outcome of poor ecconomic climate, but I'm still not buying it as a driver for most of the world.

The UK currently have a baby boom ie recession = staying in for home entertainment, outcome = children... Not because the population want to have a lot of chimney sweeps..

 

[Salomé]

Children may be an outcome of poor ecconomic climate, but I'm still not buying it as a driver for most of the world.

The UK currently have a baby boom ie recession = staying in for home entertainment, outcome = children... Not because the population want to have a lot of chimney sweeps..

I didn't say it was a "driver for most of the world". But that it drives the birth of the majority of children - who happen to be born in the third world/in poverty.

It's called the demographic-economic paradox. I thought you were a statistics bod.

 

[tinkerbell]

stats bod - I'm not a statistican but use statistics in research which doesn't equals knows evything about every population.... I'm a customer researcher - looking at behaviours and how to promote the ones we want and attempt to prevent the ones we don't want.

The link doesn't say anything different than I said in my previous post, it's an outcome... not a driver...

In developed countries its likely there is more choice, better contraception availability, better childhood mortality etc...

Hence unlike the reason for having kids as financial... you may have more kids because you don't have alternative entertainment etc...

this is getting pedantic - sorry

PS I do use ecconomics and an information source at times - to justify decision making but not as standard - to be honest I actually don't do much of either because I manage other people to do such now, I just add the additional layer of challenge to the problem

 

[poppy]

Hm, does this poll include adoption as a form of "having kids"? I would not personally want to reproduce as the process doesn't appeal to me in the least, nor do children under the age of 3, but I would like to adopt if I was ever in a position to financially.

My only rational reason is that when I'm old and decrepit I want to know there's someone who'll keep an eye out for me. I also see it as a great challenge and learning opportunity, I'd hate to miss out and wonder what all the fuss was over.

 

[Gewitter27]

I don't really want children because I think I'm mentally and emotionally unfit to take care of a child.

 

[tinkerbell]

I'd hate to miss out and wonder what all the fuss was over.

I love that...

My thoughts in the poll were to have genetic children. I think the reasons to adopt are a bit different.

I'm surprised how many women as saying maybe not or definately not...

 

[Salomé]

The link doesn't say anything different than I said in my previous post, it's an outcome... not a driver...

In developed countries its likely there is more choice, better contraception availability, better childhood mortality etc...

Hence unlike the reason for having kids as financial... you may have more kids because you don't have alternative entertainment etc...

this is getting pedantic - sorry

Is it? I hadn't noticed that.
Better childhood mortality? OK....

It's a driver in that it drives the outcome, not the other way around. I.e. people/nations don't get wealthier because they stop having lots of children; they stop having lots children when they get wealthier (along with everything that wealth entails - education, contraception, etc).

 

[tinkerbell]

Blue -

You really are trying to split hairs....



Your likely to be poor before you have 10 kids - which circles round to keep you poor.

 

[Valuable_Money]

According to the poll men want kids more than women.

Isnt that like a reverse of what is most often portrayed?

 

[FigerPuppet]

I want my bloodline to continue, but only if I find a suitable mate (both physically and mentally attractive and an academic) - I chose "Might want children".

 

[substitute]

whether it's rational or whatever, it's certainly instinctive, and I'd say that to try to ignore and go against your evolutionary instincts and still expect to be happy and fulfilled is quite irrational

Not really surprising if more men want them than women these days; after all, it's women whose life opportunities are the most affected by having them, in reality.

oh, plus the poll doesn't cover the option of "have kids already but it wasn't planned", i.e. people who have kids but, strictly speaking, at least at the time, didn't want them.

 

[Valuable_Money]

whether it's rational or whatever, it's certainly instinctive, and I'd say that to try to ignore and go against your evolutionary instincts and still expect to be happy and fulfilled is quite irrational

Not really surprising if more men want them than women these days; after all, it's women whose life opportunities are the most affected by having them, in reality.

Well if your a complete asshole who woul just leave like that then yes you are correct but if your going to assume that you could also say that a woman could just get an abortion

 

[Salomé]

whether it's rational or whatever, it's certainly instinctive, and I'd say that to try to ignore and go against your evolutionary instincts and still expect to be happy and fulfilled is quite irrational

What now?

I suppose we'd all be happier living in the trees too, all natural an' shit.

(I know I would)

 

[Totenkindly]

I don't really want children because I think I'm mentally and emotionally unfit to take care of a child.

Aw come on -- everyone else does it!

 

[Bougal]

I think I would like to have at least two, but I like the sounds of four. Now I just need to find a man to stay at home and raise them

I think a good question is whether or not hyper-intellectualism (which could be relate to NT) will be selected against biologically. If an individual is highly intelligent I think they are slightly disadvantaged when it comes to reproducing because of many reasons ranging from high selectivity of mates to a lack of social interactions to find someone to reproduce with. This thread is attempting to answer a facet of this question by seeking to know if there is a lack of a desire to reproduce for NTs, but I think the matter could be further investigated by inquiring about the opportunities for NTs to reproduce.

 

[01011010]

No interest whatsoever. My thoughts on that have remained consistent for 10 years. Actually, I'm probably even more against it now.