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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    I'm afraid a truly depressed ENTP might not even seem depressed at all on the outside, because they'd be doing their best to avoid having people fussing over them and offering help that they then feel guilt tripped into accepting, but which they know is useless.
    I cant stand to tell people about my problems because I know there just going to try and make me fell better(not even because they care 90% of the time its just because its the socialy correct thing to do)



    One thing is, I basicly pride myself on being "smart" and have sense I was a very little kid(although back then I probably would of said "smarter than everyone else". I was narccassistic little sh*t back then) Its just I have no real gouge for wether I am or not(academics are 99% following instructions) so Im constantly turning everyday interactions into battles of wits with people to try and measure my practicle intelligence. If I win I feel like a million bucks if I lose I get all depressed lock myself in my room and play fallout until I eventualy forget why I was depressed. Its really a rather unhealthy cycle but, oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briochick View Post

    seriously?
    I think this would generally be the case, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    I think this would generally be the case, yes.
    There certainly is a tendency to retreat within the secondary function if extraverting isn't going so well (which it never will with a depressed person).

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    There certainly is a tendency to retreat within the secondary function if extraverting isn't going so well (which it never will with a depressed person).
    From my experience, there is the problem that your main function is too chaotic to be extraverted with and that your second function is to introverted to be extraverted with.

    So what's left ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    From my experience, there is the problem that your main function is too chaotic to be extraverted with and that your second function is to introverted to be extraverted with.

    So what's left ?
    Get old enough to where your child-like attributes are seen as charming and energizing rather than weird. It definitely helps when Ti is developed enough to be a "second self", so to speak - you've always got someone to bounce ideas off of in your head. It's never as effective as actual other people, but it's a sufficient workaround.

    I also had to get over my "fear" of being appealing to other people - I had defined myself so heavily based on that Ti "objectivity" and "intelligence" that I forgot that it wasn't who I was as a young kid. I always wanted to make people laugh and feel good about themselves because I saw all these funny things in the world and I loved to laugh more than anything (and I still do). Rather than grow up, I had to realize that the kid inside of me had never gone anywhere, and I'd be much happier embracing myself in that manner.

    It's also around the time where I figured out "damn it, I'm attractive, and I'm not going to accept thinking otherwise". It can be hard for ENTxs to internalize this reality, since our particular focus on the objective makes understanding where "attractiveness" comes from a bit of a difficult process. The last piece of the puzzle seems to be that this whole business is fun! Part and parcel of that was understanding that this was for my own sake, and that while the need to be respectful of their thoughts is critical, this belief should have no influence from what others said or thought. Confidence, I guess.

    ESTPs are always good to have around, too. They almost never fail to open Ne up if you're not being a jerk at the time.

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    You didnt get me, I meant I have problems with speaking, cause Ne is weird and Ti is highly specialized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You didnt get me, I meant I have problems with speaking, cause Ne is weird and Ti is highly specialized.
    BS. Stop trying to speak and start speaking, man!

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    I just need a purpose. Everyone seems to be pretty crazy without me already
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I just need a purpose. Everyone seems to be pretty crazy without me already
    No you don't. Just fucking do something for the hell of it. "Purpose" is something others made up to justify their own existence. You know your own existence justifies itself - just go along for the ride! Let's just see what happens.

    People don't make sense. The quicker this is figured out, the happier one becomes. Not only that, but the illogical idiosyncrasies are actually what makes them interesting - it shows you a part of that person that is so inherent to their character that it is defining to them.

    That's where I think the somewhat illusionary Fe development comes from - it's not Fe at all - it's Ne and Ti realizing that humans are really fucking interesting, and that it's worth letting them know that. It's just as much as a sea change in one's outlook as puberty was toward one's sexual inclinations.

    Hell, worse comes to worse, get on a plane to the US. We'll make sure you have a good time over here. Refreshments will be served.

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