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    I don't think my grandmother (severe SFJ) has had an N moment in her life. All she does is talk about crossword puzzles, scratch-off cards, bingo, saving 5 cents a pound on asparagus (for a longer, more pointless drive,) and family relations (bickering about whoever displeased her in some way, even if there is nothing to be displeased about.)

    Sitting at breakfast today with her (woo,) it just came upon me that she probably never really questioned anything in her life, and wouldn't ever do so. Things like religion, enlightenment...I don't know. I just kind of pitied her, because I can't stand to be 'grounded' in the real world more than ten minutes at a time, and there she was, sitting there, talking about stuff that I could only see as S-based.

    It really makes me think about the futility of life.
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    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    But in a way, it seems like I would be more happy if I questioned things less. The more you come to the awareness that you know nothing, and will probably never know, the more futile life can become. Works both ways, is all I'm saying.

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    I know what you mean, and I understand this very well, but I just couldn't imagine being like my grandmother. I would go crazy.

    Huh, I wonder what this means. Have I reached a level "above" her intellectually, or spiritually, or does it even matter? Am I just the arrogant one who's destined to live life just as blindly as she, searching for a purpose that may not even be there? I suppose it's the difference of looking up and looking down. Looking down, you can find many interesting things on the ground, but you'll never see what comes crashing down. When you're looking up, it's easy to see what's going to come crashing down and you can avoid it, but it's easy to trip along the way. Yes, I know, very FFVII.
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    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    I FFVII

    You wouldn't go crazy with her existence because that would be all you know. If you had to trade consciousness with her, that would be different.

    Also, some people develop coping mechanisms when they ordinarily would be different under different circumstances. Like during times of war, it would make no sense to fantasize about things you didn't have. Things like that.

    Don't feel pity for her, or futility for yourself. We are all on different paths that lead to the same place: the grave. It'll be over soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    But in a way, it seems like I would be more happy if I questioned things less. The more you come to the awareness that you know nothing, and will probably never know, the more futile life can become. Works both ways, is all I'm saying.
    You have a great point.

    My GF is completely disinterested in anything that is not applicable to her life at this very stage, very little interest in "broadening her horizons," and I sometimes tell her [when I am frustrated with her, and being very mean] that she has no curiosity. Yet, she seems much happier than I am. So maybe she's right?



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    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand
    I'd say take your own signature's advice. We can't quite ever understand why our cupon cutting, newspaper clipping, lottery playing, people backbitting, crossword obsessed SFJ grandmothers are the way they are. At some point, we just have to except our limited understanding.

    On the other hand Blank, I wonder if they just take refuge in "S" like some of us take refuge in "N"...never wanting to grow past their own boundaries to face that there's more to life then what they are comfortable with. I honestly think that's it. I know plenty of hardcore "S" who've ventured into "N" territory, despite the difficultiess thereof and visa versa.

    But hey, I understand completely. My grandmother, bless her heart, is the same way.
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    Hahaha, all I can think of in response to that is a gentle tip of my hat.
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    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    But in a way, it seems like I would be more happy if I questioned things less. The more you come to the awareness that you know nothing, and will probably never know, the more futile life can become. Works both ways, is all I'm saying.
    I think questioning things makes me happy because it brings knowledge, and the more I know the less I fear, because man fears the unknown, the less I fear the happier I become.

    Ignorance is not bliss after all.

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