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    I've found that NTs tend to have strong thoughts/feelings on the subject of religion. I know NTs who are very strongly religious, but I also know a few NTs who are extremely atheistic. A lot more of that has to do with individual background and experiences, I think, than as a personality type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    NTs invent their own religions.
    i would say NF invent their own religion as religion is meant. Nts invent a new system of belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    I have a curious question:
    how does NT view religions?
    Can't speak for all of them, but I guess we tend to be sceptics and atheists.


    what is the NT's notions of "God" ? can NT be as 'spiritual/religious' as most NF seems to be ?
    Gee. I don't know. I guess there are stupid NT's as well as bright NF's.

    and what does NT think , specifically, of Christianity concept of God? does it make sense? is it acceptable, or it is not acceptable for NT's rationale? and what's the reasons?
    It doesn't make any sense. Especially the bible. Except for the part of it that have become standard western ethics. And no, i'm not talking about the burning of cities because of a little good sex.

    and for some unknown reason, is it true that NT's are more interested towards the New-Age-ism, or Buddhism, Hinduism, or even pantheism notion of "God" , rather than those Abrahamic religions (ie: Islam, Christianity, Judaism) ?
    Well, first off, the Abrahamic religions have so many flaws. And so much shit has been done in the name of christ and islam. And the jews of Israel aren't exactly without sin, either. I believe religions is a great way of creating a mob mentality that the rulers can use to control the populace, and it always provides favourite enemies of other religions. I just can't see how people are as stupid as they are. I thought the bible was complete bullshit when I was eight. How stupid are you guys? I'd totally want to be a salesman and try to sell you shit, cause I'd fool you in one minute.
    And the only one that is tempting is actual buddhism, philosophy. I wouldn't ever believe in gods. It's a ridiculous concept.

    does this have anything to do at all with one being an "NT" (as opposed to an SJ, or ST, or NF, etc ) ?
    Being an NT is probably connected with doubt. I think most of us are probably sceptics by nature. We need irrefutable evidence, and I think most of us can smell bullshit and stay clear of it. Religion is bullshit.
    Religion is crowd control, and we're not part of the crowd. I don't think NT's are as prone to mob mentality as most other types.

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    I wasn't raised Christian but I went to a Catholic elementary school. I can't necessarily say I ever believed in God despite all the praying/worshiping I did because I was too young to think for myself. When I did start speculating though, my transformation into an atheist wasn't instantaneous. I didn't want to let go of my "beliefs" and would exhaust all my energy on trying to square the circle, so to speak. Eventually I realized that I never even cared about my "beliefs" to begin with though, which made it a lot easier to consider whether or not I actually believed it.

    I wound up becoming a non-religious theist for a while (I was starting high school at the time. It was a lot easier for me to abandon my beliefs without being taught them as if they were facts), then became a deist, became a pantheist, became utterly agnostic, then a passionate atheist, and now I'm an atheist with strong opinions on God and religion but don't really care to express them unless someone's planning on doing something like fly a Boeing 747 into an enormously populated building or waking me up on a Sunday morning to "Spread the good word of the Lord."

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I thought the bible was complete bullshit when I was eight. How stupid are you guys? I'd totally want to be a salesman and try to sell you shit, cause I'd fool you in one minute.
    I've always noticed that of all the people who are raised religious but become atheist/agnostic, ENTJs are the first to stop believing and it always happens at a very early age. It's usually because they see religion as a method of control and, well, they're ENTJs.

    I've also always got the impression that most of the "religious entrepreneurs" I've heard of seem like ENTJs (lol).

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Being an NT is probably connected with doubt. I think most of us are probably sceptics by nature. We need irrefutable evidence, and I think most of us can smell bullshit and stay clear of it. Religion is bullshit.
    Religion is crowd control, and we're not part of the crowd. I don't think NT's are as prone to mob mentality as most other types.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    and what does NT think , specifically, of Christianity concept of God? does it make sense? is it acceptable, or it is not acceptable for NT's rationale? and what's the reasons?
    I don't think so. There are too many reasons for me to want to go into detail. All I can say is that I've debated many a Christian (theist) over the internet and after spending enough time thinking about and researching religion in general I've come to the conclusion that religion is simply the epitome of ignorance. Everything about it is illogical and each of its defenses are illogical.

    I also agree with meme theory and see religion as a sort of unconscious "life-form" that survives by infecting our minds and "reproducing" in the minds of children. Religion is a parasite which improves its survival rate by reducing ours.

    There are plenty of reasons to believe in God, but none of them are reasonable.

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    I'm Agnostic/Atheist. I have two NF friends that are Agnostic and two NT friends that are deeply religious (Christianity). Personality type isn't a factor. Yet, I think NTs are more prone to question what they believe as opposed to 'blind faith'.

    I have no issue with religion in itself. Some individuals need the moral structure and a belief to help them move through life more smoothly. To each their own. As long as I'm not being directly affected I could care less what anyone else chooses to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    I am God.

    I am the power of Christ. And much like Christ, I love the little children...they are delicious.
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    I'm a Christian but I have a touch of agnostic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    NTs invent their own religions.
    I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    I have a curious question:
    how does NT view religions?
    what is the NT's notions of "God" ? can NT be as 'spiritual/religious' as most NF seems to be ?
    I view organized religion as a useful social construct that creates a uniform sense of ideology and conduct within a culture. It also provides the general public with a sense of security, understanding, love and connection which they would otherwise struggle to find on their own. I think NTs are capable of being spiritual/religious, but not blindly so like other types. We need to rationalize our beliefs, and so I don't think we could follow a religion without first dissecting it into believable concepts.

    and what does NT think , specifically, of Christianity concept of God? does it make sense? is it acceptable, or it is not acceptable for NT's rationale? and what's the reasons?
    The Christian concept of God is one of the muddiest concepts of God there is, simply because there are so many sects of Christianity, all with their own ideas and principles, and many of them don't seem to follow the bible's idea of God at all. So one Christian's idea of God might make perfect sense to me, while another's would be total nonsense. I really can't answer this.

    and for some unknown reason, is it true that NT's are more interested towards the New-Age-ism, or Buddhism, Hinduism, or even pantheism notion of "God" , rather than those Abrahamic religions (ie: Islam, Christianity, Judaism) ?
    does this have anything to do at all with one being an "NT" (as opposed to an SJ, or ST, or NF, etc ) ?
    I think that a lot of New-Age religions as well as many Eastern religions (like Buddhism and Hinduism) appeal to intellectuals because they don't involve so many nonsensical stories and rituals like many monotheistic religions. What rational reason is there for a church to have stained glass windows, elaborate robes for the preachers, and crazy ceremonies in which you drink wine that represents the blood of a mystical demi-god who apparently died for your sins which he himself defined to the general public? It's all crazy flashy stuff that appeals to most people's instinct of "ooh, shiny, cool!" but has no place in personal faith. I've met a fair number of NT's who are monotheistic, and most of them get really into the technical aspects of religion (learning Hebrew and interpreting different parts of the Torah, for example) while shunning most of the flashy parts.

    What it all comes down to is practicality. NT's value practical application above EVERYTHING, even their own faith. If our faith is impractical, we think of it as useless and something that needs to be destroyed. That's probably why so many NT's are anti-religion- they see all the impractical sides of religion and ignore the more practical human needs for faith, ideals and community. Buddhism is a lot more practical in some ways, since it tells us that we must work hard, help others and live simply, rather than saying "pray ten times a day to a 3D replica of a disgusting corpse and then go on living your life as a horrible person because you're going to heaven anyway."

    I don't mean to offend anyone by the way; I'm just drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    I have a curious question:
    how does NT view religions?
    what is the NT's notions of "God" ? can NT be as 'spiritual/religious' as most NF seems to be ?

    and what does NT think , specifically, of Christianity concept of God? does it make sense? is it acceptable, or it is not acceptable for NT's rationale? and what's the reasons?
    I don't see the concept of a deity as a social construct like some others, because I don't see it as social. I think it's more related to a person's own comfort levels with uncertainty and mortality. Not coincidentally, the same people you see clinging strongly to religion also frequently cling strongly to the state (nationalism), or ever smaller sects the more extreme you get. A threat to their god or to their state is a threat to their identity and meaning as a person.

    I am ambivalent towards gods and religions. I do not believe in any gods or the supernatural, nor see any reason to.

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