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    Aderack: Is it wrong that I laughed at your story? Reminds me of something that would be in Johnny Dangerously.

    "You shouldn't shoot me, Johnny. My mother shot me in the face with a water pistol once... ONCE!"

    EDIT: I'm so old for using that reference!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aderack View Post
    Well, I mean. Everyone has emotions. The question is what you do with them: how much you acknowledge them, and then how much you factor them into your decisions. Of course, there are side effects to brushing your emotions aside. Unless you empty that garbage pail, it's going to overflow. Here's a bit of a recent conversation with a friend, also INTP:

    > I have trouble dealing with situations like that, because I kind of try to be agreeable, but that only works up to a point. And then i suddenly snap. It probably doesn't make sense to the other party. You know, "He seemed okay with what I was doing before!"

    * Yeah, I know. The sponge can only soak up so much. There was this moment in high school -- I was in a friend's room, in a kind of bad mood. I was slumped against his bed. Someone sneaked up in the hallway, and shot me in the face with a water pistol. I didn't react. I wiped my face, and kept lying there. He snuck up and did it again. Again I didn't react. He did it a third time, and I flipped out. Before I knew what I was doing, I was up and screaming and raging and kicking things with all my force. I don't know who did it. I guess he said "holy shit" and hid somewhere. But I didn't calm down for like ten minutes.

    > What the fuck? Who does that three times? Or even twice?

    * That guy.

    > Once, i can understand. Yeah, it's retarded, but whatever. But to come BACK and do it AGAIN?

    * I don't know.

    > That is some fucking pathology right there.

    * I know. I guess somewhere in my head, I just excused once. All right, someone's being an idiot. What else is new. Then a second time, fuck, what's wrong with that person? Oh well. But three times, it's like -- what the shit.
    Ha, I can relate. Though I'd probably have said something casually the first time, ala "quit it." The second time, I'd have gotten more serious, and the third time, I'd have grabbed the water pistol from the idiot and possibly thrown it across the room. I don't have much of a temper, but when you've asked someone to stop and they're still acting like it's the funniest thing ever, you have to show them you mean business.
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    Are you guys really equating Fi with sensitivity? How insulting! frankly I'm disgusted by the talk in this thread. Me! Sensitive? The nerve of calling me sensitive! :steam: Grrr Think I might go have a cry now, that really hurt guys..





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    Quote Originally Posted by The Decline View Post
    INTPs have feelings too. They're just hidden quite well.

    However, my Fi ranks in 4th place, so... be gentle.
    This. Right after Ti, Ne, Ni.

    Fe/Se/Te and such tedious extroverted functions are my lowest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    This. Right after Ti, Ne, Ni.

    Fe/Se/Te and such tedious extroverted functions are my lowest.
    Thank you for that correction. I thought INTP was Ti, Ne, Si, Fi. :Blush:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    This. Right after Ti, Ne, Ni.

    Fe/Se/Te and such tedious extroverted functions are my lowest.
    Yep. This is pretty standard for INTPs from what I've seen. Fe is usually last on the list, not Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    If you use Ti to construct what you "want," then whatever you want is what you can derive as the most "rational" want from information in your environment. Wants are derived, not internally spawned. I've been asked what I "want" so often and usually I don't have an idea, I just want whatever seems most rational at the time... and if the want in question cannot be derived, then I am usually ambivalent and unable to decide arbitrarily.

    Fi seems to have more of an innate sense of emotional/personal wants, the personal values system itself is based on it.
    This is the most frustrating thing about being Ti-dom, IMO.

    In answer to the OP, I don't think INTPs take criticism well as a rule. We either ignore or dismiss it (if we don't value your opinion), or we completely overreact (inferior Fe).
    And sometimes we do both. See Adarack's story.
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    Fi is pretty weak with me, but I think it's in fourth place as well. Which says a bunch about how weak the lower functions are.

    It's mostly Ti/Ne/Ni here.

    About Ti-derived pseudo-wants -- yeah, that's about right. It's all contextual. Given the available information and circumstances, what would best satisfy me? Which can get pretty ridiculous, as circumstances devolve. A whole lot of rationalization kicks in: "Well, this could be worse. Given what I've still got here, what can I do?"

    This is in part why maintenance is so hard. Hey, I can get by without buying groceries. I've got... noodles and butter and... mustard, here. I imagine... I could make something edible out of that. Let me think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think Fi can often play itself out where the person is unaware or unable to determine their wants.

    If you use Ti to construct what you "want," then whatever you want is what you can derive as the most "rational" want from information in your environment. Wants are derived, not internally spawned. I've been asked what I "want" so often and usually I don't have an idea, I just want whatever seems most rational at the time... and if the want in question cannot be derived, then I am usually ambivalent and unable to decide arbitrarily.
    This. I hate when I decide what I "want" based on the limitations of my circumstances, and then people assume that the choice represents what I generally like. Like when I have to decide what to eat, and I choose whatever's cheapest or simplest, and people ask, "so have you always liked such and such...," and (avoiding tedious explanations of my decision process), I just say "no, I've actually never had it before," and come off like I make no sense.

    On the sensitivity thing, I agree with Aderack and MPD2525. I'm generally not bothered, especially if it's from a stranger or something, but certain people have the capacity to affect me. And if criticism is not warranted, or is based on a misunderstanding, I have no problem disabusing people of their mistaken notions (often loudly.) And this is probably interpreted as sensitivity.
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    Misunderstandings do really get under my skin -- not so much for the subject that's being misunderstood as for the fact of the misunderstanding itself. I often really have to hold back from explaining, as people tend to take that as intense attachment to the subject. Wow, they say, he's really serious about this!

    No, I really could hardly care less. If you disagree, fine. That's your prerogative and your business. But at least understand what you're disagreeing with.

    Often people consciously seem to find this unimportant. That just baffles me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aderack View Post
    Misunderstandings do really get under my skin -- not so much for the subject that's being misunderstood as for the fact of the misunderstanding itself. I often really have to hold back from explaining, as people tend to take that as intense attachment to the subject. Wow, they say, he's really serious about this!

    No, I really could hardly care less. If you disagree, fine. That's your prerogative and your business. But at least understand what you're disagreeing with.
    You said it best. I hate it when people think rational discourse can get thrown out the window when there's a disagreement of some kind. Suddenly it's ok to attack the other person verbally, make poor inferences, then blame the other person for them.

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