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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Carl Jung identified as ISTP.

    Proof:
    The Case for ISTP

    However, there is a manuscript prepared in 1926, published in English as Analytical Psychology: Notes of the Seminar Given in 1925. Here Jung identifies as another type:

    As a natural scientist, thinking and sensation were uppermost in me and intuition and feeling were in the unconscious and contaminated by the collective unconscious. [Princeton University Press 1991 edition, p. 69]

    source - http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2...intp-and-istp/
    "I most certainly was characterized by Thinking … and I had a great deal of iNtuition, too. And I had a definite difficulty with Feeling. And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things. Now that gives you all the necessary data for diagnosis."
    -interview of jung

    his relation to reality not being particularly brilliant obviously means not using Se, especially not as dom or aux. also notice how he expressed his F being lower than S.

    in the quote you mentioned, he is talking himself as a scientist, so it might mean that he was using his S and T most in the scientist aspect of him, he did after all make his discoveries by looking 'what is' inside(Si) of himself and creating an subjective rationalization to it(Ti), then he went to look at how it fits the big picture around him etc, which indicates to Ne. N is an unconscious function and inferior is contaminated by the collective unconscious the most.
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    @INTP

    It sounds like you are inventing explanations and reasonings of want you want to believe rather than what is actually true since you are probably just like, "Oh I'm INTP and I like Carl Jung so therefore we must be the same type!" Of course I could be a hypocrite since I accused him of being ISTP but the evidence favors me since the source which has high credentials says it means he is identifying as ISTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    INTP

    It sounds like you are inventing explanations and reasonings of want you want to believe rather than what is actually true since you are probably just like, "Oh I'm INTP and I like Carl Jung so therefore we must be the same type!" Of course I could be a hypocrite since I accused him of being ISTP but the evidence favors me since the source which has high credentials says it means he is identifying as ISTP.
    there is a case for INTP and ISTP, as he never strictly said he was neither type. i dont think evidence favors you, i just wanted to point out that you can give explanation for your "evidence", but the fact that he says on a video that his N > S, you cant deny.

    not to mention that jung thought that your secondary function can change, nowadays we dont see typology that way(and research in big 5 has confirmed that personality doesent vary all that much). how ever, one can get in dom/tert "loops" or get obsessed with their tert for other reasons(jung thought that in order to get to inferior, you would need to have a battle between aux and tert, in which tert is strengthened), which could potentially make you look as if your tert was your aux, especially to someone who is just figuring out and pioneering the system. notice that he said that in my quote, he is talking in past tense when talking about N and S, which means that he grew up as N type. todays research shows that your personality is quite stable from early adulthood(and the variation can be explained by coming more conscious and learning to handle your tert/inferior). i could go on and on about this, but this already PROVES that your quote does not prove anything and can be explained with other explanations than with him being an ISTP. you know its not a proof, if it can be given an alternative explanations, which have been proven.

    blah i hate this subject, since most people dont have any idea on what they are talking about, dont understand typology from jungs perspective, dont understand personality psychology of today and bla bla bla
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    "I most certainly was characterized by Thinking … and I had a great deal of iNtuition, too. And I had a definite difficulty with Feeling. And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things. Now that gives you all the necessary data for diagnosis."
    -interview of jung

    his relation to reality not being particularly brilliant obviously means not using Se, especially not as dom or aux. also notice how he expressed his F being lower than S.

    in the quote you mentioned, he is talking himself as a scientist, so it might mean that he was using his S and T most in the scientist aspect of him, he did after all make his discoveries by looking 'what is' inside(Si) of himself and creating an subjective rationalization to it(Ti), then he went to look at how it fits the big picture around him etc, which indicates to Ne. N is an unconscious function and inferior is contaminated by the collective unconscious the most.
    Who says SP's are realistic? Do you know any!? Some of the most unrealistic people I know are SP.

    Honestly,it is funny that based on one paragraph, you know more about him than the man itself who also happens to have founded the theory.

    And rather than think he may have worded one paragraph badly. You take that paragraph above all the rest of his claims about himself.

    Completely illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Who says SP's are realistic? Do you know any!? Some of the most unrealistic people I know are SP.

    Honestly,it is funny that based on one paragraph, you know more about him than the man itself who also happens to have founded the theory.

    And rather than think he may have worded one paragraph badly. You take that paragraph above all the rest of his claims about himself.

    Completely illogical.
    that post isnt worthy of other comments than
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    that post isnt worthy of other comments than
    arguments=0.

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    Just to show you one example of your confirmation bias:

    not to mention that jung thought that your secondary function can change, nowadays we dont see typology that way(and research in big 5 has confirmed that personality doesent vary all that much). how ever, one can get in dom/tert "loops" or get obsessed with their tert for other reasons(jung thought that in order to get to inferior, you would need to have a battle between aux and tert, in which tert is strengthened), which could potentially make you look as if your tert was your aux, especially to someone who is just figuring out and pioneering the system.
    The exact same logic above, could be used to believe that when he described himself as "unrealistic", he was describing a time in which he was in a Ti-Ni loop. If you were so inclined to interpret the argument that way.

    However you choose to interpret him only in the way which suits your pre-defined belief.

    Why are people so keen to believe that an xNxP can be in a Ji-Si loop, but never believe that an xSxP can be in a Ji-Ni loop? You always hear the former referenced, but never the latter.

    This MBTI theory is often just an excuse for a mass group exercise in mental masturbation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Just to show you one example of your confirmation bias:



    The exact same logic above, could be used to believe that when he described himself as "unrealistic", he was describing a time in which he was in a Ti-Ni loop. If you were so inclined to interpret the argument that way.

    However you choose to interpret him only in the way which suits your pre-defined belief.

    Why are people so keen to believe that an xNxP can be in a Ji-Si loop, but never believe that an xSxP can be in a Ji-Ni loop? You always hear the former referenced, but never the latter.

    This MBTI theory is often just an excuse for a mass group exercise in mental masturbation.
    he never said to be unrealistic and i never claimed him to be unrealistic, and maybe i should add that i dont think N equals unrealistic(since you probably deduced that i do) and S equals realistic. think about the rest, i dont see any idea of talking to you if you arent able to comprehend properly what is being said. if you want a proper reply, prove that you are worthy of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    he never said to be unrealistic
    Quote from the video which you yourself posted:

    "I most certainly was characterized by Thinking … and I had a great deal of iNtuition, too. And I had a definite difficulty with Feeling. And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things. Now that gives you all the necessary data for diagnosis."
    -interview of jung
    and i never claimed him to be unrealistic, and maybe i should add that i dont think N equals unrealistic(since you probably deduced that i do) and S equals realistic.
    Fine, but then what is your basis for this claim you made?:

    the fact that he says on a video that his N > S, you cant deny.
    if you want a proper reply, prove that you are worthy of it.
    Who said I want a reply? If you can make your case coherently you will do so, if not, you won't...it's the same to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Quote from the video which you yourself posted:





    Fine, but then what is your basis for this claim you made?:





    Who said I want a reply? If you can make your case coherently you will do so, if not, you won't...it's the same to me!
    Unreal means opposite of real; 'not real'. He said: "And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant.". Which doesent mean unreal, but not being in touch with reality all that well, i.e. not paying much attention to 'what is'.. Stop replacing the words you read and it will make things much easier.
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