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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
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    Re: the Jung quotes, if you look closely you'll see MBTI actually conflicts with Jung's comments.
    I wonder... Are you at all understanding?

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    btw Jag, nice Jung quotes in your signature there. The first one, especially, seems pretty adamantly not Ti, and the second one is about as Ni as it gets.

    I'm hearing NTJ everywhere.
    I agree about NTJ, but the second comment is also general (although deep) knowledge. Wonder if it's necessarily Ni...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewellyn View Post
    I wonder... Are you at all understanding?
    The better question is, are you understanding?
    Clearly, you are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The better question is, are you understanding?
    Clearly, you are not.
    Ok. How do you see MBTI conflicts with Jung's comments?
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    i don't think that's a subtle reading of the relationship between jung and mb. read gifts differing and presuppose that the mb you call mb is what isabel myers had in mind when she created mb with her madre. myers sounds much like thomsen, who is very very jungian in her approach. temperament theory is the least influenced by cognitive functions, and therefore the least jungian. altho i find berens, at least, brings something interesting to the table (whereas keirsey, to me, does not- he sounds like half-assed behaviorial descriptions that aren't rooted in cognitive functional patterns).

    i was under the impression that jung identified Ni and Ti in himself. this is the argument intps use so adamantly to claim jung was an intp. i find very direct connection with jung's and infj thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewellyn View Post
    How do you see MBTI conflicts with Jung's comments?

    For your perusal:

    More Contradictions Between Jung and Myers Briggs Theory

    Jung and Briggs Myers' J/P types contradict

    Not so much about contradictions, but more interesting info here:
    Dichotomies in Jung, Myers Briggs and MTR-i systems

    Actually, the whole blog is interesting.
    In the same style as Jungian analysts Singer and Loomis,
    Steve Myers allows for any function order as well.

    MBTI waves a wand over people and claims:
    "Poof," here's your instant-oatmeal function order with no evidence,
    whatsoever, to back it up.

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    You should read him in the original german text, so god damned whiny bastard
    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You should read him in the original german text, so god damned whiny bastard
    God-damned whiny bastard?
    Lol.

    Hey, how many martinis have you had tonight?

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    ya well he talks on the one hand about extreme thinkers and on the other hand about party people. I read the book Archetypus, that could be a different one tho, so I could be wrong too.

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    Carl Jung identified as ISTP.

    Proof:
    The Case for ISTP

    However, there is a manuscript prepared in 1926, published in English as Analytical Psychology: Notes of the Seminar Given in 1925. Here Jung identifies as another type:

    As a natural scientist, thinking and sensation were uppermost in me and intuition and feeling were in the unconscious and contaminated by the collective unconscious. [Princeton University Press 1991 edition, p. 69]

    source - http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2...intp-and-istp/

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    "It is important to have a secret, a premonition of things unknown. It fills life with something impersonal, a numinosum. A man who has never experienced that has missed something important. He must sense that he lives in a world which in some respects is mysterious; that things happen and can be experienced which remain inexplicable; that not everything which happens can be anticipated. The unexpected and the incredible belong in this world. Only then is life whole. For me the world has from the beginning been infinite and ungraspable."

    proof.

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