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    This proves to be a slightly flaw with the Meyers-Briggs typology.. both NFs and NTs are very comfortable with the abstract- which requires a deal of intuition to work through.

    However, the Idealists are more comfortable with using intuition when making decisions while the Rationals will rely more on reason.

    I find Intuition helps my thought process be more efficient- easily eliminating certain options which don't seem very viable.
    I have a strong sense of intuition but I don't feel comfortable relying on it entirely when making decisions.
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    He's being honest about what he felt and he wasn't suggesting that NTs hope people die so they can get a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    There is one thing that makes logically no sense. If you are unhappy with the way you see people, then you ask others about their way, but why then still justify how you see people. Then again, if you are happy with the way you see, people, then why ask others.
    I didn't ask because I was unhappy with the way I see people. I'm content with it. I asked because I wanted to understand the way others see people. I wasn't justifying it, I was explaining it.

    Ultimately this leads to one logical conclusion. You can ask now every person who thinks different all the way you want. But you wont understand them, cause you havent understood you yourself yet.
    No offense, but that's a rather pointless thing to say. No one can really "understand themselves" completely. We're not capable of gaining or maintaining conscious awareness of every aspect of our own nature.

    You've said similar things before, and I don't want to wait around and "experience" things before trying to understand them. I can do better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I didn't ask because I was unhappy with the way I see people. I'm content with it. I asked because I wanted to understand the way others see people. I wasn't justifying it, I was explaining it.
    My basic problem is that I dont understand why anyone could be that arrogant to think that he ever can understand another person, cause he will be the same person forever and forever again.

    I have a flaw at this point but I wont correct it, cause I am afraid to become insane.
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    NTs believe more in social darwinism, and that morality is subjective.
    NFs I don't know what they believe in, but they seem to have a strict sense of right and wrong and have more compassion than their T counterparts.

    The best example of an NT who lacks faith in morality is machievelli, who said the ends justify the means.

    As for having evil thoughts and wishing malice on other people, all human beings have those once in awhile, so you should not view yourself gulity for this.

    Without NTs, the world would not have towering achievements like buildings,telecommunications , missiles, and all sorts of advance technology.
    Without NFs, the world would be cold and ruthless, no one would care for other people other than themselves, and there would be no moral justice.

    So the two balacne each other out.
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    Athenian, why do you choose to focus on N without F? How is this any different than visualizing S without F? (or any letter without F for that matter)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    Athenian, why do you choose to focus on N without F?
    Specifically, it's because simulatedworld claimed he had a song that represented Ni. I disagreed, and presented songs that conveyed my own idea of Ni. He dismissed this as being the "NF version" of Ni, and I realized that if those things I saw as part of Ni are all NF qualities, then I don't understand NTs at all.


    How is this any different than visualizing S without F? (or any letter without F for that matter)
    Well... it isn't difficult to visualize on an abstract level. That's why I can estimate what fields of study embody the NT archetype. However, I can't understand how emotions fit into an NTs worldview, and I had previously thought I had some idea, but my interaction with simulatedworld made me feel like I had none. So I decided to recheck it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    This is not a criticism of the administration or the venerable mods.
    If I were a mod, I should have had the post number 22 removed.
    It is an offensive post, and a personal attack. It is inane and serves no constructive purpose whatsoever. Nobody should be forced to receive such posts.
    A healthy environment is a safe environment where members are protected from assaults.

    I do not know what is the mod policy here. This is not an attack on the mods.
    They cannot see everything.

    I only say what I'd have done, had I been a mod who happened to see the post. Please do not be offended.
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    We eventually did catch up with this one and are reviewing it to see what actions to take. Thanks for your concern.
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