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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    YouTube - Dr. Michio Kaku: SCI FI or SCI FACT, Part 1

    YouTube - The Divine Matrix: Gregg Braden Pt.1

    Stephen Hawking called it "mind of God" lol.

    And I love what he says about the big bang.
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    Gravity is a word/symbol/label to offer an immediate mental picture of a common phenomenon.

    When a rock is dropped and hits the earth, it is due to gravity. But what else is it due to?
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    No.

    You still didn't answer my question, you can't answer a question with a question, if you want to get irrational I can slap you silly.
    Yes I can. In fact, I just did. What are your parameters for what fact is and what it's not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    Gravity is a word/symbol/label to offer an immediate mental picture of a common phenomenon.

    When a rock is dropped and hits the earth, it is due to gravity. But what else is it due to?
    We don't know. That doesn't mean that gravity doesn't exist.

    Likewise, when bacteria change to become resistant to antibiotics following pre-observed pathways of evolution, it's due to evolution. It's also due to natural selection by genetic variation.

    That makes evolution much harder science than even gravity is, because we do have an underlying cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Aww, come on, harping on the trolls is good practice for actual debates and discussions!
    lolz.... actually, it's more like shooting sluggish fish in tiny barrels with both barrels.
    (... and at this point it's become, "I'm not a troll, you are!" "No, YOU are!" "No, YOU...!" ad nauseum)

    ...

    I don't know if I feel like transcribing it, but I've reading "The Devil in Dover" (by Lauri Lebo), an account of the 2005 Intelligent Design / Evolution case of national headlines (which happens to have been tried right here in Harrisburg, about 5 minutes from my apartment), and a whole page of the testimony concerning Michael Behe (ID proponent, Lehigh University) dealt exactly with the notion of what a "theory" versus a "hypothesis" is and what the implications of softening definitions are.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    lol it's fine to have other ideas but you still can't admit it's not a fact? How many times should I ask you this? IS EVOLUTION A FACT? IS EVOLUTION A FACT? IS EVOLUTION A FACT? You are sooo avoiding many things I say and ask.
    Dude, I don't answer you because you're not providing a coherent discussion of theory and science here; you can't even say the default color of this forum scheme is blue as a fact (how can you be sure?) by your definition .... but you can make a very strong case for it. Same with evolution.

    The courts have already battled this out with their expert witnesses time and again, the most recent example being here, where the court is very clear about what was shown to be true in the proceedings.

    Behe tried to redefine "theory" like you have, which makes it sound like more of a hypothesis. His proposed definition was "a proposed explanation which focuses or points to physical, observable data and logical inferences." In the court proceeding, Behe was forced to admit that, by using definition, even astrology could be considered a "theory" ... and the judged noted as much in his verdict.

    The NAS definition of a "theory" is a "well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses."

    Evolution is falsifiable, most of these ideas you bring up or not... but you would equate them as the same? It's nowhere close. There is no better falsifiable explanation for the development of life than evolution, at this current time... and even the ID proponents had to admit as much, and openly admitted in court that their creation science involved an essential faith to make the leap. Even if evolution isn't "it" down to every detail and has flaws, it explains a great deal coherent, has been tested, and is the best theory out there right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    lolz.... actually, it's more like shooting sluggish fish in tiny barrels with both barrels.

    (... and at this point it's become, "I'm not a troll, you are!" "No, YOU are!" "No, YOU...!" ad nauseum)
    Isn't that what all human debate eventually devolves to? Or maybe I'm just too much into politics...

    Nice use of two senses of the word barrel in one sentence.

    I don't know if I feel like transcribing it, but I've reading "The Devil in Dover" (by Lauri Lebo), an account of the 2005 Intelligent Design / Evolution case of national headlines (which happens to have been tried right here in Harrisburg, about 5 minutes from my apartment), and a whole page of the testimony concerning Michael Behe (ID proponent, Lehigh University) dealt exactly with the notion of what a "theory" versus a "hypothesis" is and what the implications of softening definitions are.
    That's pretty interesting. I don't generally have that much of a problem with religious people, or creationists as a group, but when their arguments start becoming disingenuous (like the difference between theory and hypothesis, and the confused meanings of the words in lay parlance), that's when the blood starts getting angried up. Much as when people start claiming falsifiability is a weakness of science - no, that's why it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    The bible tells you to pray before meals and show gratitude, but it doesn't tell you WHY. I found a reason, it quite literally makes your food BETTER and healthier, I've even conducted experiments of food decay and the one with positive prayer always looks better and fresher! take a look at my album for my experiment. However this is regarded as a pseudo science in the outside world, but the discoverer has even given lectures at harvard.
    You're right it does taste better, but not for the reasons you think. Thinking that something will taste better literally makes something taste better. In fact your taste buds only engage fully when your mind is engaged. Perception and the willingness to perceive are inextricably intermeshed, especially with taste and smell.
    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    sheesh humans! for realz

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Look if I said I use Windows. My control key doesn't do that.
    Listening goes both ways. Using literal arguments isn't going to help you.

    All of our senses are interlinked with the mind. I used taste for illustrative purposes.
    I really don't claim to taste a difference. That's your opinion, not mine. The fact is, you said I do taste a difference, but I don't. I don't "sense" any difference at all actually, I'm relying on the knowledge and faith in my knowledge for it to work.

    I really do appreciate it that you are trying to relate, but I get the sense that you still don't see it from my perspective, I have been pretty literal saying all of this stuff.

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    If you can't sense that it's better, what makes it better to you?
    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    sheesh humans! for realz

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    If you can't sense that it's better, what makes it better to you?
    Good question, it's just my opinion that it's better, but looking at my experiment, I would rather eat the food that has recieved positive energy, rather than the negative. My body get's it's energy from these chemicals so I'd rather have what I percieve as better quality chemicals, and if it's so easy as to say some nice things to change bad quality to good quality(at least to some degree, it's not water to wine here) then I'll do it.

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