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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    The INTP will have difficulty getting out of depression because, again the Ne, will not be available to the extent that is necessary in order to collect the information needed in order to avoid the turmoil the INTP is afflicted by.
    For an INTP, usually the depression then becomes worse because the other introverted function (Si, the tertiary) is being used to buttress the bad thinking of the Ti. Instead of using Ne to shake things up and change the situation, Si just encourages the INTP to shrink into himself/herself and put up even more walls.

    People really need a strong introverted/extroverted pair (and thus at the same time a perceiving/judging pair) in order to function in the most healthy way.
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    Wow. INTPs sound awful, it's lucky I am an ESFJ, phew!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Obligations are such nuisances. Do any types not avoid or postpone obligatory tasks?
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    I'd argue that EJs (the stronger the extroverted Judgment, the more distinctly expressed the tendency will be), will be less likely to avoid obligations than Ps.
    For what it is worth, I am gratified when acting duly -- paying bills, or delivering or arriving when promised. Excepting offers traded in small talk, I will not commit unless I intend to carry out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing
    Arrogance tends to be rare among healthy INTPs who have found a sense of higher purpose
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    Yes, this was a very thoroughly and profoundly thought out statement.
    It seems you have put a lot of thorough and profound thought toward your arrogance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    It seems you have put a lot of thorough and profound thought toward your arrogance.
    He does get an A for Arroga.... I mean, an "A" for effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    It seems you have put a lot of thorough and profound thought toward your arrogance.
    Pretty clear what we have going on here. If you found a higher purpose, you know you have nothing to be proud of because you're always longing for something that can not grasped in its entirety. For the INTP it is often the search for truth and for INFP, the true good.

    Es are more likely to become arrogant, especially the EJs because they often see a clear-cut standard that needs to be met and and when they meet the standard better than others, they assume that they are better than them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Pretty clear what we have going on here. If you found a higher purpose, you know you have nothing to be proud of because you're always longing for something that can not grasped in its entirety. For the INTP it is often the search for truth and for INFP, the true good.

    Es are more likely to become arrogant, especially the EJs because they often see a clear-cut standard that needs to be met and and when they meet the standard better than others, they assume that they are better than them.
    Well if you want to clarify, then how do you define the term "higher purpose", and what would it look like for other types like the ESFJ for example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Well if you want to clarify, then how do you define the term "higher purpose", and what would it look like for other types like the ESFJ for example?
    The most down to earth example of a higher purpose i can think of is doing something not for the sake of external rewards, but for the sake of finding an essence that underlies it.

    So, for example a philosopher who has not found a higher purpose will study just so he can solve this or that problem in the world, or win this or that argument. One who has will be focused on the perennial search for truth. Solving problems and arguing will be means to the end of getting closer to truth.

    For ESFJ, we will want a Feeling oriented higher purpose, they are on the path of the INFP rather than the INTP. When they have fully developed all of their functions their Fe will be bent inwards by Si-Ti and hopefully produce the Fi effect where they will strive to become as compassionate and sincere as possible.

    I doubt we can expect this from an ESFJ, although that's definitely what I'd look for from them in the perfect world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    The most down to earth example of a higher purpose i can think of is doing something not for the sake of external rewards, but for the sake of finding an essence that underlies it.

    So, for example a philosopher who has not found a higher purpose will study just so he can solve this or that problem in the world, or win this or that argument. One who has will be focused on the perennial search for truth. Solving problems and arguing will be means to the end of getting closer to truth.

    For ESFJ, we will want a Feeling oriented higher purpose, they are on the path of the INFP rather than the INTP. When they have fully developed all of their functions their Fe will be bent inwards by Si-Ti and hopefully produce the Fi effect where they will strive to become as compassionate and sincere as possible.

    I doubt we can expect this from an ESFJ, although that's definitely what I'd look for from them in the perfect world.

    So what you are saying is that in a perfect world everyone is either an INTP or INFP? How noble of you to include both types in your vision of a perfect world. I also love how you use the term "higher purpose" as opposed to something like "inner purpose" or "internally focused".

    How foolish of me to think it arrogant to use the term "higher purpose" to refer to the natural inclinations of the INTP and INFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    For ESFJ, we will want a Feeling oriented higher purpose, they are on the path of the INFP rather than the INTP. When they have fully developed all of their functions their Fe will be bent inwards by Si-Ti and hopefully produce the Fi effect where they will strive to become as compassionate and sincere as possible.

    I doubt we can expect this from an ESFJ, although that's definitely what I'd look for from them in the perfect world.
    Are you equating true compassion with Fi? Isn't there some potential danger in ascribing specific moral traits with personality functions? Fi is most certain of the internal structure of emotion and values, and can therefore be more likely to respond to external emotional scenarios with judgment, projection, and bias. It can be compassionate certainly, but i don't see how its compassionate ideal transcends any other. Its intensely subjective quality places it at risk for distorted perceptions. Inaccurate empathy can lead to sincere, but flawed compassion. Fi is just as capable of killing with kindness as any function, if not moreso. Si has some of these same preconceived notions about right and wrong. Put Si and Fi together as dominant and tertiary functions and you can have a highly motivated compassion, but one that can have very little to do with the individual or situation at hand. That's when you hope the Si-Fi or Fi-Si internal framework is in agreement with most needs in general, because it can have a great trouble adapting to new or divergent needs and scenarios with any kind of accurate empathy.
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