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    Default Why does so many people fail to get rich?

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    If capitalism favor self interest and equal opportunity for all, why does so many people fail to get rich?
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Does this really belong in the NT forum?
    If a deaf INFP falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    Does this really belong in the NT forum?
    Maybe he thought you guys were most likely to have an answer.

    After reading the books, they actually agree well with the ENFP philosophy of calculated risks, and people understanding. Unfortunately work is normally included also.

    I'd say most people fail because they are too conservative, too uncreative, or else they just didn't try enough or believe it. Most people who make it a life mission get there. It is just a lot of people fall and stay down, or approach it as the impossible dream.
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    (I'm writing this for myself too, because I loose my way sometimes)


    Assuming that being rich is the goal of everyone, I think it's the fear of mistakes and risks that holds people back. In the following video, Ken talks about how mistakes are stigmatized and that people learn to fear mistakes. Having the wrong answer and failing tests, saying the wrong thing and being outcasted, things like this.

    schools kill creativity.


    In the capitalistic society, it's the creation and delivery of value that gets money. And when you do it in service of others, the money pours in. But, to determine that value requires trials and errors, experiments and failures.

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    For self-interest, is really depends on what the person is interested in. These days in the US, it's about consumption. As George Carlin puts it, our last civic duty: consumption. If you had a credit card, would you buy a tv, or buy things to make a business, or further your career?

    Here's a personal example. A friend of mine asked me for my objective analysis of 2 business prospects. As an INTP, this is my natural talent so I loved to help.

    On one hand, there was a laundromat business, turnkey, low over head and is the only spot in the area without a septic tank. So people would arrange to do their washing at this laundromat. The cost of this was $50,000 down payment.

    The other prospect is an average laundromat in the next town over. It was part of the public sewage system, just like the neighborhood. Equipment was a little old and needed minor repair and the down payment was $20,000.

    After talking about it with her husband, the husband wanted to go with the cheaper one. Less financial risk as he saw it. She knew instinctually that the $50k one was the better bet (ESFP). I told her, trust your instincts, my money is on the pricier one due to the value. She agreed, thanked me and said ttyl.

    About a few months later she called me asking if I knew anything about business law. Curious, I had found out that they really did go for the cheaper one, and it turns out that it was a scam, with 4 other victims. It was unfortunate as now her down payment just went down the drain. Litigation would cost even more and so she had to let it go. I tried to up lift her spirits, and asked her, "what's the moral of this story?". She was still emotional and I reminded her that you always go with what you feel deep down is right. She agreed, thanked me and said ttyl.


    The mistake here is that she allowed her husband's fear rule the business thinking, in clear opposition of the evidence of where the value really was. It was unfortunate that she lost that money, but it's a blessing in disguise because she didn't waste time and slipped into despair of a poor biz prospect being stagnant. But she learned something, had the courage and sign papers anyway. I don't have a doubt in my mind that she will become well off later on. I worry about her husband's judgment over her, but that's another story.

    She and her husband were both recent graduates of mechanical engineering. Nothing special about their situation as they both has mountains of student loans to worry about, let alone risking their financial security to go for the big bucks of a speculative investment.

    This is basically how riches are made. Was this stupid risk taking? no, they did their due diligence. And in spite of that, they let fear of making a mistake cloud their judgement. The greatest life lessons are found in failure and mistakes. Life punishes us for the mistake first, then tells us to go figure out the lesson.


    Feel the fear and do it anyway. Go for the shot because situations will not be perfect.

    Everyone has their own talents. MBTI and enneagram are both systems to shine light on what they are and leap you ahead decades ahead those who do not know. Instead of knowing your type and cheering, ask, how do I leverage this knowledge? Deep down, I really do applaud everyone here who have taken the time to discover who they are. By knowing this, you are aware of your strengths and weaknesses. Knowing this is spirituality.

    SWOT analysis Also helps in this regard and you have half the chart already if you know your type. Everyone has some kind of fear that they must master. Dream and dream some more, gain a vision and a standard. Go forth in spite of fear and take a risk. This is how you make money and not become rich, but wealthy.

    Mastering your deepest fear is extremely difficult when compared to tv and ice cream. But this is really the only way toward the life that everyone dream of. Just gotta take the next step and keep going. The secrets and lessons toward riches aren't secret. They in fact very well known, but many discard them looking for easier ways in this instant gratification world.

    It doesn't matter what you think, everyone has the ability to become enormously successful. Business books, MBTI and enneagram hold tons of jump start info on the path to riches.

    For more real life financially successful people, check this book out the millionaire next door. Even a school teacher and her fireman husband made it out as millionaires earning modest wages.

    Fear is the price of imagination
    The solution to fear is action (courage)

    Fear is inevitable, act on imagination, not fear. This is the embodiment of your vision.


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    Information discrepancies lead to business failure.

    Ideas may not be right for the context. Demand drives the economy.

    Management may be unsuccessful.

    Capitalism does not indicate equal opportunity for all - it's in a company's best interest to put as many barriers to entry as possible for potential competitors. The ideal state as far as profitability is a monopoly.

    There is such a thing as luck - sometimes, you can't help that tornado wrecking your shop and not being able to afford the increased insurance.

    It is often in the best interest of entrenched interests that you stay in a position where your labor is as cheap as possible. Consequently, they will not pay you enough to invest in your own business.

    Economies of scale. It is much more expensive to start a business than it is to run a currently-existing, large business.

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    I think it has a lot to do with bootstraps and the failure of the plebes to pull themselves up by them.

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    Because those in power don't wan't to give up their power. If all our needs are met, then we can't be enslaved and manipulated into doing their bidding.

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    The answer is only one: because resources are not unlimited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    The answer is only one: because resources are not unlimited.
    This, and to further explain it. Supply and demand. Demand most definatly being the most important factor in getting rich. Or rather said, the breaking point and how you work it in terms of competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
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    If capitalism favor self interest and equal opportunity for all, why does do so many people fail to get rich?
    Poor grammar is part of it...

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