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    No not really. To get used to traditions is a thing I havent managed until today .

    What I was talking about aims mostly into the department of personal development and people. When I for example see a friend doing things that will lead her to be unhappy in the end and I tell her from the start where she is heading and she does it nevertheless, resulting in the predicted outcome. That basically goes into the direction.

    Of course everyone needs to do mistakes himself and I am not the all-knowing guru to put myself into the position to know it all.

    But to constantly see some things that could lead someone to frustration and then to be right about it in the end, it's like a television constantly broadcasting in your head and you dont know how to turn it off.

    This all sounds pretty arrogant and with me prolly results from me seeing myself in a higher psychological position with most people. I have come to look at it that I am a small fart aswell and I can learn alot from people aswell; recently I have found the right person to go through with it.

    But her Ni-Fe combination isnt really helping to supress my curse to see things in people that are not really there and aint either good nor bad.

    I have witnessed mind-blowing moments with INTJs in which they gave a wisdom about life that was yea mind-blowing. And they all seemed to have the same problem aswell. Meaning to see possibilities / dangers in things or people that aint really there. And because of the INTJ being introverted, I was just wondering, how they deal with it.

    But I prolly called the wrong number, maybe its a thing I firstly have to come clear about on my own, so that I can describe it and can talk about it at all for a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    I'm not quite sure if I have one of those terrors(seriously), can you give me an example?
    growing up, everyone faces problems (life problems like growing up with no money or being bullied throughout your student life).
    people deal with adversity differently. some learn to take it and suffer through it. some overcome it. some run away from it

    for the INTJ, i think, some problems tend to to be so frustrating/overpowering that they just learn to live with it and come to terms with it in a way that is somewhat unhealthy to their emotional well being. since they are already wired to not put on a whole display of feeling, the result of these situations ends up creating a psychological spot that needs to be handled like an infant. a spot that is turns into an insecurity. then this insecurity is never really overcome, it is treated with apathy but is closely gaurded...

    that does make any sense at all...it is from looking at two 20 yr old INTJs i know, though it might just be them then

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    brother of enthalpy I think I see what you are saying.

    You see a problem-identify the solution but nobody listens and then you watch the problem implode on itself. If they had listened to you this would not have happened.

    You pop up with a NeTi contribution, it gets dismissed, even though you were correct. After awhile this could fuck with the brain of an entp I would guess. It's kind of pucnhing you were it hurts.

    So you want to know how the INTJ who faces the same problem deals with this constant dismissal. Does it make them cruel and bitter like it might do to an entp?

    Entps seem to identify the solution with thier ego a bit more than INTJs. The solution is a peice of them-an offerring, where the intj sits outside of the solution. So it isn't as insulting to an intj when the idea is dismissed, the intj just seems to assume the person is stupid and forge ahead in spite of them. The entp got thier ego poked a bit-thus built a bit of a shell-thus bacame a bit more cold. The intj may roll thier eyes but keeps on going.

    Although this could all be utter total complete bullshit. (And K i dont think i can change my name to rosetta as likely you can only change your name so many times a year before you get stuck in the graveyard.)

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    Well, if the terrors are true, then

    (a) this thread will have a lot of reading INTJs yelling teary-eyed "Whut? No, that ain't me, nope, no, it isn't!" at their monitors. (Y'know, in a imaginary universe where they're expressive.)

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    (b) they--we--probably don't know what you're talking about because distressed, *immature* introverted feeling tends to reactively leave behind the things that cause the distress.

    But distress can be dwelt upon. And it grows and grows inside Ni, assuming bigger and more horrible forms.

    At which point, if we're lucky, we say, okay, what do I know right now, and from that, what am I going to choose to *do*!

    And as one ages one gets better at making appropriate decisions about constructive action.

    The relative cruelty of one's chosen actions... dunno, as an introvert it's pretty hard to find people to be cruel to. Then I suppose quality over quantity applies.


    But anyway, what the hell are you guys talking about?! (He asks, paranoid that there's some irony here.)

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    Kalach that's very insightful and even inspiring...

    Does Ni really amplify things? How so as Ne would amplify I'd guess by finding all possibilities and then freaking out about the worst ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Well, if the terrors are true, then

    (a) this thread will have a lot of reading INTJs yelling teary-eyed "Whut? No, that ain't me, nope, no, it isn't!" at their monitors. (Y'know, in a imaginary universe where they're expressive.)

    and

    (b) they--we--probably don't know what you're talking about because distressed, *immature* introverted feeling tends to reactively leave behind the things that cause the distress.

    But distress can be dwelt upon. And it grows and grows inside Ni, assuming bigger and more horrible forms.

    At which point, if we're lucky, we say, okay, what do I know right now, and from that, what am I going to choose to *do*!

    And as one ages one gets better at making appropriate decisions about constructive action.

    The relative cruelty of one's chosen actions... dunno, as an introvert it's pretty hard to find people to be cruel to. Then I suppose quality over quantity applies.


    But anyway, what the hell are you guys talking about?! (He asks, paranoid that there's some irony here.)
    I think I get what the OP meant now, and no offence but I think you are wrong. "Terror made me Cruel" could also be said as "Cruelty from others has made me cruel"
    The INTJ often finds himself misunderstood, being the rarity that he is, and that eventually the INTJ will become cynical, sarcastic, and generally pessimistic towards people and relationships, but we didn't want it that way, it seems to be an overwhelming force from the pressures of the outside world.

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