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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    substitute, could it be that some lonely ENTPs actually do show off how clever they are? I've known ENTPs (and INTPs, incidentally) who talked to hear themselves talk and I believe it is because they had been understimulated for so long that they had become disillusioned and started taking what they could get.
    It could be, sometimes, but rarely... that kind of thing, well I can't see it appealing to me personally... having spent my childhood being 'talked at' by an Aspies dad and the last 6 years being talked at by my Aspies daughter, I know how it feels to be used as an audience/listening post, and I'm loth to do it to others.

    If I feel understimulated, then I know plenty of people, ENxP's in particular, who love nothing more than to talk the hind legs off a donkey and are just as talkative as I am. An afternoon at the pub talking random shit over a few pints with my ENFP brother or ISTP friend, both of whom give as much as they receive, is FAR more satisfying than just randomly talking to someone to show off. I mean... my intuition very easily picks up when someone is judging me negatively because of what I'm saying, so I just wouldn't want to do it because that kind of thing doesn't help - it hurts!

    At all times, it's not just to talk at someone that I want - that never stimulates me - it frustrates me and bores me to death and just makes me feel worse, to be talking to someone who isn't responding. What I want and crave - and I believe all ENTP's do - is interactive discussion. We want the person to talk back - it's INPUT that Ne craves, not to 'output', and 90% of output is only done with the aim of obtaining input in return. So the last thing I'd do would be to chose an IxxJ to talk to, who I know would not cooperate!

    I think you'd have to be a very socially starved ENTP - which I can't imagine many of us ever being really - to reach a point where you're like a hermit who never sees anyone and so goes for it with the first person who doesn't run away!
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    At all times, it's not just to talk at someone that I want - that never stimulates me - it frustrates me and bores me to death and just makes me feel worse, to be talking to someone who isn't responding. What I want and crave - and I believe all ENTP's do - is interactive discussion. We want the person to talk back - it's INPUT that Ne craves, not to 'output', and 90% of output is only done with the aim of obtaining input in return.
    I know; that's why I'm talking about understimulation and disillusionment.

    I think you'd have to be a very socially starved ENTP
    No. Blackwater and I are currently wondering what to do with a young, very socially active ENTP we know who talks to hear himself talk. (To be fair, I should mention that he's politically active which of course provides an added incentive to showboat.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    No. Blackwater and I are currently wondering what to do with a young, very socially active ENTP we know who talks to hear himself talk. (To be fair, I should mention that he's politically active which of course provides an added incentive to showboat.)
    Depending how young, I'd say not to worry about it - he'll learn in time. It's just a question of experience, if you look at the ENTP profiles you'll see that we often start out misjudging when it's time to talk and when to STFU, and we get better at it as we get older. Just leave him to it, with enough trials and errors he'll figure it out.

    If I feel disillusioned, I still can't imagine myself doing that... if I didn't have enough faith in other people to want to or be able to join in or interact with me, then I'd just withdraw - "it's all pointless, so why bother?" - that's what I have done in those situations - and spend time alone, reading or just going for walks and stuff, trying to stimulate myself through non-human sources. And too much of being forced into that kind of thing would probably make me hit the bottle a bit, to drown out the boredom and loneliness. I can think of several other half-assed solutions I'd go for, long before plumping for "just talk at people anyway whether they like it or not". Generally, understimulation leads to boredom, boredom to depression, and depression to withdrawal from social action, not the opposite.

    ENTP's are often very insecure deep down, and have a great need for approval and positive reactions, so doing something that I know would make people hate me or make my company unwelcome just doesn't seem in keeping with my aims and methods. But I can see where 'showing off' might be a badly thought out way of trying to get the positive reactions and affirmations that an immature ENTP needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I kind of feel sorry for ENTPs.

    They actually say out loud the crazy shit we INTPs think.

    I bet a significant amount of them wind up in looney bins.
    My girlfriend is an ENTP, and she's quite sane, I assure you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotmale View Post
    My girlfriend is an ENTP, and she's quite sane, I assure you.
    If you haven't thought, "wtf are you crazy?" on a weekly basis I doubt your typing!

    Hell, I think that about myself on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    If you haven't thought, "wtf are you crazy?" on a weekly basis I doubt your typing!

    Hell, I think that about myself on a daily basis.
    Yeah, totally. In fact, she might even be offended by what hotmale just said about her... heheh... I know once when someone asked for my opinion by opening with "Substitute, you're pretty normal - tell me..." I was crestfallen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    If you haven't thought, "wtf are you crazy?" on a weekly basis I doubt your typing!

    Hell, I think that about myself on a daily basis.
    Well supposedly only insane people never question their sanity.

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    My ESTP friend (good friend) favourite end line when emailing with me and the folks is, "you're nuts!" or "you guys are nuts!" Tho it's in an affirmative meaning, in the sense of out-of-the-box, unusual, non-mainstream. It's so that he is in essence an extremely counter-culture person, maintaining surface conformity (which he reveals and jokes around with friends). He trusts my capabilities and just notes his style that I can pull of some wild things (or present some image) and get away with it, socially and image wise.

    He's an extremely multi-talented gamer and a bit better than me in almost every game. For a reason I don't understand he seems to seriously appreciate me as a strategic. I haven't won him in any game requiring such talent. I sometimes surprise him in the way how I dare to present some outrageous image of myself as a joke, something he wouldn't dare to do to such great extent. Yet he sees that I always pull it off and come off as someone reasonable, even tho it's hard to say why it is so. So he awes in how I can play with the image and conformity to the extent he can't, so he appreciates me as a gamer in another respect. He well knows that I'm wicked smart.

    He knew before me I was bipolar, and that "insane" saying doesn't have anything to do with that. Are you familiar with the meaning of the word "insane" in the sense of "incredible"?

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    While anaylitical thinking, problem diagnosis and solution finding, together with objectivity and openness to both our errors and correction are strong points, managing, controlling and understanding our emotions are our biggest weak points.

    So this causes much trouble between us and the kinds of people who say "it's not what you say - it's how you say it". Because in the case of ENTP's, HOW we say it is almost entirely irrelevant. We put great effort into expressing in words EXACTLY what we mean, an opening our thoughts to others in the interest of transparency and clarity. To us, the fact that we might be angry, frustrated, exasperated, overly emphatic - none of these things are factors in our decisions, we're consciously and constantly ignoring our own emotions even while we're recklessly displaying them. So for the other person to pay too much attention to them and to attribute what we're saying to them paves the way for maximum miscommunication hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Are you familiar with the meaning of the word "insane" in the sense of "incredible"?
    I wasn't referring to the popular usage of the word to indicate "coolness" but rather its psychiatric evaluation.

    Sure, "you're insane" tends to mean "you're wickedly cool" and can refer to people who are known to take chances and still land on their feet, befuddling the nice conformists around them.

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