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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    And you're not that accommodating and obliging
    tee-hee that's right!

    Heh, no I can be that shallow sometimes,
    I know
    seriously, but I wasn't then. Thank you though, nice to get a bit of extravert appreciation going from you mean ol' intro's!

    (though that wasn't my intention either, I didn't have one, honest! lol)
    I know.
    Just think of my comments as appreciation for your gift - the same way someone would stand in front of a great painting and be impressed.

    I had no idea extraverting was that much work - I mean it is for me, but I didn't know it was for extraverts, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    he sounds much more S than N to me. much.
    You know, after I posted all of that, I was thinking a bit about it/him, and I also was starting to conclude his behaviors seem a lot more 'S'.

    Guess I was just taking my friends' word on it, because she knows a fair amount about mbti, said he's taken the test, and I would assume her husband shows her a lot more of himself than he would to anyone else....which would include his more flaky habits? ;-)

    Sorry for the bad example; I tried. Will bow out now!

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    Alright so I haven't read this thread and I just don't have the patience to read it right now either.

    But I have a question in regards to the annoying part of entp's

    So entps have the potential to be selfish individuals, they are not known for really wanting what is best for others unless it involves them. Is this something other people find to be true. I mean would an entp subconsciously sabotage a person they cared about simply b/c they weren't getting what they perceived to be their needs met? And would they try and blame their reasoning for why they did it on someone else instead of stopping to look at themselves? I mean is this fair to say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    So entps have the potential to be selfish individuals, they are not known for really wanting what is best for others unless it involves them. Is this something other people find to be true. I mean would an entp subconsciously sabotage a person they cared about simply b/c they weren't getting what they perceived to be their needs met? And would they try and blame their reasoning for why they did it on someone else instead of stopping to look at themselves? I mean is this fair to say?
    Speaking only for myself, I don't think I have it within me to sabotage someone else, my attention span is too short to be capable of holding grudges. And I do want the best for others, but I don't always feel the need to be instrumental in their obtaining it. However, I do feel it's important not to be obstructive.

    I guess I'm a bad example because my religious beliefs and disciplines have beaten a lot of that kind of bad behaviour largely out of me, but even so, I've seen selfishness in all kinds of people, so I wouldn't put it down to type. For instance, the bolded part above is something that immediately puts me in mind of two ENFJ's I know, and my sisters (ESFJ and ESFP) do the same thing too, though I've probably done it in the past without realising it, I can't envisage myself doing it on purpose.

    If someone isn't meeting my needs, the last thing I want to do is sabotage them. That just prolongs the association when I'd rather just end it. I'd prefer to move on and find a more promising avenue. My first instincts are to remain neutral, and to look within myself to meet my needs. If I feel someone isn't meeting a need of mine, I ask myself why I expected them to in the first place, and whether in fact I really do need it, and if so, is it realistic to expect it of them, or anyone else, or can I see to it myself? And usually the answer is that they did only what they were bound to do, and I've no reason to be annoyed, except at myself for my unrealistic expectations.

    But more realistically, if my needs aren't met, I'm FAR more likely to simply change my needs. That's what I was trying to say here:

    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    even when I haven't been able to get my way (first draft), I've managed to redraft 'my way' sometimes beyond recognition so that what I want to happen always happens, even if sometimes it's more like what happens is always what I want; I want whatever happens. Hm. Rephrase: I can usually find a way to want whatever I know is going to happen, and also to strongly influence what is going to happen.
    and which digest backed up here:

    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    ha. yes. deciding that what occurs, even if it wasn't what i wanted, is workable. i think it comes from a tremendously strong natural tendency to adapt... go with the flow.
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    However, the other ENTP flaw that I wanted to point out, which was the reason why I opened this thread before I got engrossed in responding to targo (lol) was this: we have a very long fuse and tend to brush off an awful lot and let a lot of things go. But, rare as it is, if we do get seriously pissed off, you can expect cosmic debris across many sectors. There are days when I could cheerfully blow up entire solar systems, but failing that, I'll go for the maximum damage I can possibly cause in a single blow, and no need to be hurtful or spiteful when a simple calling of a bluff that's been begging to be called for months can have those chips flying all over the room. The sustained sabotage/manipulation tactics that other people describe here are really not something I can relate to - I get bored of it too quickly and all the planning involved is so not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Speaking only for myself, I don't think I have it within me to sabotage someone else, my attention span is too short to be capable of holding grudges. And I do want the best for others, but I don't always feel the need to be instrumental in their obtaining it. However, I do feel it's important not to be obstructive.

    I guess I'm a bad example because my religious beliefs and disciplines have beaten a lot of that kind of bad behaviour largely out of me, but even so, I've seen selfishness in all kinds of people, so I wouldn't put it down to type. For instance, the bolded part above is something that immediately puts me in mind of two ENFJ's I know, and my sisters (ESFJ and ESFP) do the same thing too, though I've probably done it in the past without realising it, I can't envisage myself doing it on purpose.

    If someone isn't meeting my needs, the last thing I want to do is sabotage them. That just prolongs the association when I'd rather just end it. I'd prefer to move on and find a more promising avenue. My first instincts are to remain neutral, and to look within myself to meet my needs. If I feel someone isn't meeting a need of mine, I ask myself why I expected them to in the first place, and whether in fact I really do need it, and if so, is it realistic to expect it of them, or anyone else, or can I see to it myself? And usually the answer is that they did only what they were bound to do, and I've no reason to be annoyed, except at myself for my unrealistic expectations.

    But more realistically, if my needs aren't met, I'm FAR more likely to simply change my needs. That's what I was trying to say here:



    and which digest backed up here:



    --------

    However, the other ENTP flaw that I wanted to point out, which was the reason why I opened this thread before I got engrossed in responding to targo (lol) was this: we have a very long fuse - I get bored of it too quickly and all the planning involved is so not me.
    I think ENTPs are passionate about their activities and like to play a little rough, but have never really known one to get angry for a long period of type. I would say that they typically happy folks due to the simple fact that they don't hold grudges.

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    They just wont SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!
    The less I react to their stupid fucking jokes, the more stupid fucking jokes they make! Get a fucking clue!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirilis View Post
    uhh yep, I totally agree with yours and MacGuffin's points
    LOL. yeah.. my little sister is an INTp. when she starts telling me something, I am bound to say it (hey.. from an INTp it's convincing!). later in private she'll tell me that when she tells me stuff to keep it to us two, or that she was only joking. buuut i'll never remember this every time she tells me something cool.

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    I agree with Q. Your judgment is a bit off, so let me help you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    Good point.

    - Unrealistic ideas that are given at an inappropriate time
    Chances are that if the idea is unrealistic and at given at the 'wrong' time; that the ENTp is merely joking.
    - Tendency to not follow on through projects
    ENTjs tend to mistake ENTps brainstorming for actual plans to implement.
    - Tendency to get quickly bored
    100% true.
    - Big risk taker
    It's the entrepreneur in me.
    - Manipulative in social relationships for personal gain
    Hmm. Wrong. ENTps are not manipulative by nature. In fact, ANY type that is unhealthy is most-likely be manipulative for personal gain.
    - Big spender
    True. I help keep the economy going.
    - Unfocused and tendency to have difficulty to concentrate on one thing at a time
    True. I have problems focusing on boring or mundane subjects/details. If it's not interesting, chances are it's not worthy of my time.
    - Plays devil's advocate and argumentative for the sake of being so
    Right now I'm being argumentative both for the sake of being so, and to improve your overall clarity on ETNps. Your reasoning is more than a shade off.
    - Does not respect existing lines of command to implement own ideas and bypasses social aspects, disregarding negative consequences from those in power
    I'm never susceptible to another's judgment or power.
    - Gets bored quickly with romantic partner
    True if I don't find them interesting. But wouldn't ANYONE? If my partner is someone I truly care about I never tire of being with them.
    - Narcissistic. Sees the world as an audience
    SUBMIT!
    - One ups people and competitive on task and relational level
    If you can't compete, don't get off the porch.
    - Obnoxious and rude
    My name means noble truth.
    - Ignores social conventions for attention
    No. I simply do not know how to do things normally.
    - Act in eccentric ways to differentiate themselves from others
    I am eccentric. I can't help it.. it isn't a show.
    - Goes through long "high" and "low" mood phases
    I sometimes wonder if it would be fun being BiPolar. (In the manic phase only, of course--THAT would be fun!)
    - Jack of all trades, master of none
    That makes me master overall, respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    1.) He read fairly widely, which I can respect, but didn't seem to have any interest in knowledge for reasons outside of showing it off in conversation and otherwise using it for blab-fodder.
    Hey, this one's totally unfair and shows no understanding of what Ne is all about. But since I've heard it many times before, let's just clarify and put it to rest, dammit!

    If I 'blab' some information I've read in a book, it's not to show off how clever I am, but to see if the other person responds to it with "I know about that, but I've also read that... which could put that in a different light..." etc. Perhaps the other person will say something that will enable you to connect the 'dot' of this piece of knowledge with something the author of the book you read failed to take into account.

    And this is what I'm "doing" with the knowledge - not just showing it off!

    IOW, books are not the only sources of information and learning, and just because someone's knowledge has been published in a book, doesn't make it worth more, or more conclusive/authorative than anyone else's!! By doing this, I'm not trying to make myself out to be better than someone else - I'm actually showing that I acknowledge that someone else as a fascinating mine of information and am interested in hearing their thoughts/views!
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Hey, this one's totally unfair and shows no understanding of what Ne is all about. But since I've heard it many times before, let's just clarify and put it to rest, dammit!

    If I 'blab' some information I've read in a book, it's not to show off how clever I am
    substitute, could it be that some lonely ENTPs actually do show off how clever they are? I've known ENTPs (and INTPs, incidentally) who talked to hear themselves talk and I believe it is because they had been understimulated for so long that they had become disillusioned and started taking what they could get.

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