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    Senior Member durentu's Avatar
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    the difference between perseverance and futility is the strength of the plan before hand.

    If the plan is weak, then it's usually futility
    If the plan is well thought out, then it's perseverance.

    In the case that a plan isn't there, I look for some kind of metric. Something to tell me that I'm going in the right direction. But this is more or less a desperate measure.

    For instance, If you're starting a business, The statistics of business that fail are staggering. first year, 90% fail. Of those that are still standing, 90% fail after 3 years. The common thread that are the winning bunch is the strength of their plans and how much persevereance was used to push the plan forward. Sometimes, for a whole year, you don't know if you're doing well or sinking under. This is why you have a risk assessment or exit plan in the overall business plan.

    For me, perseverance becomes futile when I have more important things to do with the time I an spending on it/
    This is cool, however the exit plan is based on interest and time available. It's definitely cool for interests, hobbies and things like that. However when it becomes more serious matters (like how am I going to make ends meet this month), having a good plan and sticking to it, is perseverance. That same act without a plan is futility: if you succeed, that's luck.

    The one thing you want to avoid is stagnation, ambivalence, or anything that is not giving you a clear sign which way you're going. Sometimes you can't help it and this is where being creative comes in handy mixed with perseverance to get back on track.

    hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durentu View Post
    hope this helps.
    food for thought...i need a drink

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    food for thought...i need a drink
    You might want to visit the alcoholic thread.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Perseverance turn to futility when you no longer have a path to your goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    food for thought...i need a drink
    i cant remember giving up on anything i thought was worthwhile pursuing...but things change, right?
    After thinking about it some more, is this symptomatic of pserseverance/futility or really about fear and doubt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by durentu View Post
    After thinking about it some more, is this symptomatic of pserseverance/futility or really about fear and doubt?
    doubt being the reason for perseverance to turn to futility.

    but then it comes back to perseverance...doesnt it

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    Preserverence becomes futility when you no longer beilieve you can reach your goal, or when you realized the effort and time you spent is out of proportion with the result you seek. Often learning when to give up is harder than persisting.

    As they aways say, there is the button: retry, abort ,fail.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

    "In this Caesar there are many Mariuses"~Sulla

    Conquer your inner demons first before you conquer the world.

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