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    A good example of this -- Verity give me strength -- is Doctor Who.

    As a character, through all his varied incarnations, the Doctor is clearly ENTP. Yet the first Doctor, William Hartnell, is a real oddball.

    Hartnell's Doctor starts off as the most cold, bitter, callous INTJ you could imagine. He's even worse in the unaired pilot episode. Yet as the show goes on, his traveling companions -- particularly Barbara and Steven -- slowly humanize him. He grows healthier, more responsible, and more affectionate. By the end, he has shifted more obviously into ENTP territory, where he has remained ever since.

    I think McCoy may be showing a bit of the shadow again (which makes sense, as his portrayal was a deliberate cross between Hartnell and Troughton). And Eccleston has his flashes. Still, it's pretty clear where they sit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    I would never describe myself as stylish unless "obliviousness" is considered a style.

    My natural charm makes up for this, of course.
    I think maybe it's the odd confident, tertairy Fe charmy, sexy thing too, combined with flip flops.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Do you think you can come here with your shit you steal from foreign subforums and still think you are cool ? Really man, you bring out my Karate-Monster
    My Ne-Monster will so kick your karate monster's ass. He has special connective capabilities. You're screwed. Likely, literally cause you're an ENTP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I have an uncle who is undoubtedly an NT (willing to give up his highly specialized medical doctor career to learn long-distance trucking because he is bored, if only my INFJ aunt would let him).

    He's either an INTJ or an ENTP and I can't tell which. He's sort of like Night. I can't tell if he's a Te user or a Ti user; I can't tell if he's an intravert or extravert. It's very weird because there's no way he's INTP and he's not take-charge enough to be ENTJ.

    INTJ or ENTP. Hmmm. You'd think you could tell. But Night gets confused about his own type a little (yes it's all bunk, but yah know).
    I'd guess an ENTP. My INTJs never seem to quit anything. really, I feel bad for them about this. Just give up.... you know you want toooooo... If the rest of humanity is a herd of cattle, the INTJ walks in front of the stampeding herd, looks up, and says STOP, stupid cows. If the INTJs shift course, it seems to be a huge life changing event for them. They agonize over it. But maybe I am wrong as I only have a n=9 or so of the INTJs.

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    its true...i can be very INTJ-like sometimes, especially when im dealing with stressful situations in a healthy way...its awesome cuz i actually get shit done and Ne doesn't keep jumping backyards

    the difference between Ne/Ti and Ni/Te, as i have noticed in myself, is too obvious and too awesome...especially Te, because when that bastard comes out, i can climb mount everest or send my best bud running to find a rock to cry behind...Ni/Te is soooo driven and asshole-like

    now all i need to do is need to find the switch to turn intj on and off

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    I'd argue that it is a misinterpretation of personality traits.

    People tend to associate Introversion/Extraversion with making the difference in assertiveness and leadership.
    However, it's Judging/Perceiving which creates the difference for the most part..

    I know INTJ's who are infinitely more assertive than I am. I'll be the one to speak a little too much and show my dominance in a social scene but it's the INTJ who is more likely to actually take the reins of leadership..

    The ENTP is sociable, assertive, but easygoing.
    The INTJ is more aggressive but not that sociable at all.

    For instance, I'd say that Dr. House is an INTJ.
    He doesn't really show any sign of Extraversion.
    House is a smart guy and knows that by acting more Extraverted- he can do more of what he wants to do.. but I think he's naturally Introverted and Judging.

    To be fair, House is fictional and I think it often matters by the writers.. some make him more Introverted and others more Extraverted.
    I'm an ENTP and I don't entirely identify with House..
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Did he really wrote the entps want to have sex with you ? In the NT forums ?

    I mean ok, I admit, we entps have accepted you other 3 types for a long time now in this subforum and we are utterly thankful that you did aswell. But that sentence that was so stolen from the SP forums really.

    Do you think you can come here with your shit you steal from foreign subforums and still think you are cool ? Really man, you bring out my Karate-Monster
    You have to admit it's true though... don't you have a running tally of the different qualities of people you've slept with, just so you can see what it's like for each?

    I mean, we'll eventually get around to finding a soulmate, but damn, there are way too many interesting lovers in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    They're each other's shadow.

    INTJ cognitive function order:
    Ni-Te-Fi-Se

    ENTP cognitive function order:
    Ne-Ti-Fe-Si

    The two are very similar because of their function order. The introverted and extroverted forms of any given function often have a fair deal in common. And, of course, as they are shadows of each other, a person of one type can "become" a negative form of the other, given stress.
    ^ This is very accurate from my personal experience. I don't know about my shadow ISFJ ever coming out, but, I can definitely recall my inner-INTJ. It's not pretty. At. All. But, it's ruthless in how it gets shit done, which is why it comes out when I have no other options but to revert to this high-stress form of myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I have an uncle who is undoubtedly an NT (willing to give up his highly specialized medical doctor career to learn long-distance trucking because he is bored, if only my INFJ aunt would let him).

    He's either an INTJ or an ENTP and I can't tell which. He's sort of like Night. I can't tell if he's a Te user or a Ti user; I can't tell if he's an intravert or extravert. It's very weird because there's no way he's INTP and he's not take-charge enough to be ENTJ.

    INTJ or ENTP. Hmmm. You'd think you could tell. But Night gets confused about his own type a little (yes it's all bunk, but yah know).
    If an NT does something seemingly ludicrous because he is "bored" (i.e. driving a cab with a PhD or learning trucking with an MD), chances are he is an INTP.
    Listen to me, baby, you got to understand, you're old enough to learn the makings of a man.

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    That's probably right, at least in terms of the lack of reasonable direction.

    It'll be an NTP, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    Sometimes ENTP are odd for me to understand.
    They can be the life of the party (and if they are, it's uncommon to mistype them for intj), but they are also descripted often as the most introvert of extravert...
    Yes, we can seem like that.
    If you look at it from the Keirseyan perspective, ENTP's are still very much NT. They dislike many of the social customs which keep so many people comfortable. An ENTP's energy is directed to the outside world. They can seem Introverted, since they won't deal with everyone.

    I know I have the tendency to be very outgoing around some and more reserved around others...some people would type me as an Extravert and others would type me as an Introvert- even though I'm naturally Extraverted.

    Sometimes, it's because the other person is much more talkative and assertive than I am and I'm simply genuinely interested in what he or she has to say- so I don't say much. However, I make up by being an eager listener and joining in on conversation- even if the other person dominates it.

    For most people though I'm not a chatterbox with, it's because I'm not interested in them at all...I do a pretty good job of clarifying the difference between, "I'm not saying much because I'm interested in what you're saying." and "I'm not saying much because you're boring me or are an asshole."

    You have to look at how the person thinks. I'm often tempted to think aloud. I find that it helps me come to a clearer answer to 'hear my thoughts'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    its true...i can be very INTJ-like sometimes, especially when im dealing with stressful situations in a healthy way...its awesome cuz i actually get shit done and Ne doesn't keep jumping backyards

    the difference between Ne/Ti and Ni/Te, as i have noticed in myself, is too obvious and too awesome...especially Te, because when that bastard comes out, i can climb mount everest or send my best bud running to find a rock to cry behind...Ni/Te is soooo driven and asshole-like
    I have a tertiary Te. When someone hurts my feelings they get an immediate lash of Te, which I am working to gain a better control on. When someone offends puts my idealistic mission at risk, they get an ENTJ. I will hand them thier ass on a platter.

    I was having a conversation with jeno awhile back.
    ENFPs will feel profoundly rejected if we open up, offer an emotion to someone we find worthy and they dismiss it without consideration. This can result in a Te bitch slap or a Te induced drive to prove that person wrong. "Fuck them, I'll show them style" attitude in response to the pain of rejection. It has served me well.

    ENTPs feel equally rejected if they open up, offer an idea to someone they find worthy and it is dismissed without consideration. It feels like rejection as well-however what do you guys slap back with? Fe? Do you charm/insult them to death? Doesn't seem so effective. Maybe this could trigger the psuedoINTJ to come out?

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I mean, we'll eventually get around to finding a soulmate, but damn, there are way too many interesting lovers in the world
    You guys are adorable. There is merit in honesty. and variety

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