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    Default NT abstract conversation starters

    Give me some ideas. As an NT, what are some good conversation topics that you find particularly stimulating?
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    Topics in philosophy of mind are good for light-hearted discussion. It's always fun to discuss the logical possibility of philosophical zombies.

    Philosophical skepticism is good stuff too, but you have to find someone who takes it seriously--i.e., people who aren't practically oriented.

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    I prefer topics dealing with "how and why" rather than "who and what".

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    given the predicted food shortages, water shortages, etc. that are near-universally predicted by experts, what do you predict the global state of affairs will look like in 30 years? It stands to reason that within a few short decades there will be a distinct shift in the priorities of many nations, and likely far more global conflict over resources than there currently is. With different priorities comes a more distinctly different world. I imagine a sort of lightning-fast Darwinian evolution of careers being fueled by the new environmental needs and constraints--far quicker than what happens naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    given the predicted food shortages, water shortages, etc. that are near-universally predicted by experts, what do you predict the global state of affairs will look like in 30 years? It stands to reason that within a few short decades there will be a distinct shift in the priorities of many nations, and likely far more global conflict over resources than there currently is. With different priorities comes a more distinctly different world. I imagine a sort of lightning-fast Darwinian evolution of careers being fueled by the new environmental needs and constraints--far quicker than what happens naturally.

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    That's NT conversation pr0n if I've ever seen it.

    As a little note for your question, a J will be more interested in talking about the real-world application of ideas and concepts, while a P will be more interested in the idea or concept, not it's real-world application. To give you an example of how this plays out, a P would rather talk about how things have a tendency to decay over time and how this fact is universal and applies to all areas of existence, while a J would talk a little more about how society is going downhill and is destined for disaster, possibly destruction.

    Off hand, I can't think of a good conversation starter, but Usehername's seemed pretty good. It would catch my attention.
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    "Strange, isn't it?..."
    That can get me going. Just try it, and steer me into N, if I don't do that myself. I will sometimes manipulate conversations entirely away from their premise just so that I can use my N to talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    I prefer topics dealing with "how and why" rather than "who and what".
    I think I am with you on this. Abstract notions never interested me, I need things more deeply rooted to reality.
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    If you want to go with the "traditional" abstract conversations starters then I suppose science and philosophy is fine.

    I've personally found anything can be abstracted. Some of my friends and I were talking about McDonald's new coffees in comparison to Dunkin Donuts, 7-11, and Starbucks and by the end of the conversation we were talking about the fair trade movement and micro lending. I find that most Ns would probably check out hearing people talk about coffee and not stick around till the course of the conversation changes to a more satisfying topic.

    You can abstract a conversation about a mechanical pencil as far as I'm concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    You can abstract a conversation about a mechanical pencil as far as I'm concerned.
    I don't think they have souls or free will.

    (Although technically, I guess we just wouldn't know -- so what processes could we use to discover and quantify aspects of the mechanical pencil?)

    ... unless of course, there is no pencil.

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    I think I am with you on this. Abstract notions never interested me, I need things more deeply rooted to reality.
    I branch between abstracted topics and concrete ones. (Sort of the difference between philosophy vs engineering, which can both be NT-style areas of expertise.)

    Concrete ones can be really interesting, if it's the sort of topic wherein you can use logic + imagination in order to build connections and drag in ideas and data from other disciplines to help you form an explanation or solution. NTs seem to enjoy making rational connections that run outside the box (and therefore help expand it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willfrey View Post
    I think I am with you on this. Abstract notions never interested me, I need things more deeply rooted to reality.
    I'm the opposite. If the subject isn't abstract I can quickly become bored.
    I do not understand the pleasure in discussing concrete subjects. It seems to me such conversation is nothing more than glorified data-sharing. Neither party is thinking about nor learning anything. If one wants to learn facts, surely the internet or a book would be much more reliable.
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