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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonpareil View Post
    Well, I'm an INTJ and I wouldn't exactly call myself a perfectionist...although, what do you think dear?
    Nope, you aren't too much of a perfectionist. More obsessive over certain things

    I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to... say... schoolwork, until I get bored of the topic. I find most INTJs to say "Good enough" for most things, but are often obsessive compulsive over certain particular things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I find most INTJs to say "Good enough" for most things, but are often obsessive compulsive over certain particular things.
    Yep. "Obsessive compulsive" being 'perfectionist' to outsiders. But only to some things. The things we deem important

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneti View Post
    However, I have loads of virtual filing cabinets in my mind filled with loads of concepts and business idea's I am currently thinking about.
    Wow....You seriously sounds like my cousin!
    he just LOVE too much to make many....my god....MANY very-very detailed-concepts & business idea , even to the point of almost 'unrealistically' (well yeah it is unrealistic. i can just see the "forest" pretty quick, rather than the "trees"!) CHANGE the whole already-built-in-for-30-years Factory , so it can suits his ideas & concepts, down to the littlest details like: the salary system, the flow-chart, the profit-margin calculations, until even the position of the machineries & workers in exact places!!
    Right when I see his 'passion' in all those stuff (but unfortunately, all of them were rejected by his seemingly-"ESFP" dad for being just 'Unrealistic' , and just theory/concepts!) ,...I KNEW that I'll NEVER be able to be like him!!
    I suck at the details....which explain why more than often, I felt that I was badly misplaced at the wrong career & wrong position here in the factory

    but anyway, yeah, admitedly by him, the Factory is the Most-important think for my INTJ cousin.
    no wonder he often said to me that he just can't sleep at many nights, thinking of this concept, that concept, this idea, that idea, and fixing many errors & problems in the company........he even confessed that he sometimes DREAMT about the theories & concepts in his sleep!! (*while I dreamt about going to another galaxy & see many 'mysterious' but out-of-the-world things!* )

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    i'd say my natural state is perfectionism (except for stupid things. like my hair, or cleaning the shower, for example... some things are naturally Good Enough).

    However, i easily play the Effort vs. Benefit game. (My trademark phrase through high school: I often didn't do the homework if it wasn't going to affect my grade that much. For example: homework was worth 5% of my biology final grade. I figured, psh, that's totally not worth the time investment. So I made a deal with my teacher, and while the class did their homework, I would get to hear stories from her. My Effort vs. Benefit game caught on; I had a following.)
    *You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
    *Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason once accepted, despite your changing moods.
    C.S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneti View Post
    Hmmm... I'm actually quite disorganised and messy in an outward appearance. However, I have loads of virtual filing cabinets in my mind filled with loads of concepts and business idea's I am currently thinking about.
    I know exactly what you are talking about. If you live with me, you know how "messy" my place can be. I'm anal about a lot of things, like, I have my clothes thrown all over the house but heaven forbid any of it be on the ground. I don't clean or dust everyday, but when it happens to bother me or get in my way, I go on a cleaning frenzy and I complain that pt (who tries to help me) doesn't do a good job and I have to do it again.

    My mind is always full of thoughts and ideas, I come up with tons of business ideas all the time. As for my virtual filing cabinets, since irl, my papers and things aren't usually organized at home, I am very organized in my mind. I can give you a general idea where things are in my home but if anyone else had to find them, they would be looking forever. Pt has been through that.

    I don't care about the dishes because I like living in my mind thinking about things. My idea of being organised and efficient would to be to buy carton's of paper plates and just place them straight into the bin so I could get through the mundane faster.
    I don't care about dishes, in fact I hate doing them. I try to get pt to do them but his "p" tends to put it off. I only care how dishes are done because there's always a right way to things and plus, I don't think pt does it efficiently enough....I love you dear! I would buy paper plates, cups and such but I don't like to waste money. If I do happen to use desposible dishes, I try to come up ways to recycle them so I can use it again.
    As an example, I went to a men's suit maker that sells quite high end shoes for men. About 1 year ago I went in there and bought a pair of shoes and they've worn out. So I went and bought an exact replacement pair (they are over priced but I hate shopping and its quick) and I really thought about buying another 5 pairs to last me another 5 years. Why... an INTJ would know why.
    I'm like that too, I always have to resist the urge to buy a x year's supply in something I like. But I do love shopping!

    Quote Originally Posted by Natrushka View Post
    Yep. "Obsessive compulsive" being 'perfectionist' to outsiders. But only to some things. The things we deem important
    Yes, I guess that's a better word, obsessive compulsive BUT only to what we deem important.
    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    Wow....You seriously sounds like my cousin!
    he just LOVE too much to make many....my god....MANY very-very detailed-concepts & business idea , even to the point of almost 'unrealistically' (well yeah it is unrealistic. i can just see the "forest" pretty quick, rather than the "trees"!) CHANGE the whole already-built-in-for-30-years Factory , so it can suits his ideas & concepts, down to the littlest details like: the salary system, the flow-chart, the profit-margin calculations, until even the position of the machineries & workers in exact places!!
    Right when I see his 'passion' in all those stuff (but unfortunately, all of them were rejected by his seemingly-"ESFP" dad for being just 'Unrealistic' , and just theory/concepts!) ,...I KNEW that I'll NEVER be able to be like him!!
    I suck at the details....which explain why more than often, I felt that I was badly misplaced at the wrong career & wrong position here in the factory

    but anyway, yeah, admitedly by him, the Factory is the Most-important think for my INTJ cousin.
    no wonder he often said to me that he just can't sleep at many nights, thinking of this concept, that concept, this idea, that idea, and fixing many errors & problems in the company........he even confessed that he sometimes DREAMT about the theories & concepts in his sleep!! (*while I dreamt about going to another galaxy & see many 'mysterious' but out-of-the-world things!* )
    If I was your cousin, I would dream of my job too, how to improve it and how to fix this and that. I do that with life already: "If I ran this clinic, I would do it this way....", "For our wedding, we need to do...." I do dream or consume a lot of my time thinking about things I find very important to me.
    Sorry for any typos, spelling or grammer errors but I'm a bit preoccupied planning my wedding.
    Or if you want to read more about me and help me gain more insight to your world (I do need more experiences in life), feel free to skim through my blog.

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    yeah, which reminds me: it's NOT only the factory that's the the most important that he can get perfectionist at.
    It's in everything that he deems important to him, for example: during his marriage, he plans everything like crazy even to the tiniest detail of how each hour should be according to his plan! wow...
    and oh, also when he wants to go on holiday/vacation/travelling!!
    you should've seen his notebook, full of the hourly-plan, of what he'd do in every-hour in his every-single-day of the vacation!
    wow!!!! (why he can't just be spontaneous when during the vacation-time, and just enjoy whatever comes up? he he he)

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    I'm INTJ, and I'm only a perfectionist when it comes to stuff I'm interested in, such as my drawings, or the autobody work I've done on my cars. If I don't get something perfect, it nags and nags at me until I get it just right.
    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

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    I'm only a perfectionist about things that are important, everything else is either kept within reason or generally ignored (or totally ignored, like my yard, which is nothing but dead weeds, palm trees, and succulent plants watered by my next-door-neighbor's sprinkler system).
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    Disclaimer: The above is my opinion and mine alone, it does not mean I cannot change my mind, nor does it guarantee that my comments are related to any deep-seated convictions. Take everything I say with a whole snowplow worth of salt and call me in the morning, if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    Wow....You seriously sounds like my cousin!
    he just LOVE too much to make many....my god....MANY very-very detailed-concepts & business idea , even to the point of almost 'unrealistically' (well yeah it is unrealistic. i can just see the "forest" pretty quick, rather than the "trees"!) CHANGE the whole already-built-in-for-30-years Factory , so it can suits his ideas & concepts, down to the littlest details like: the salary system, the flow-chart, the profit-margin calculations, until even the position of the machineries & workers in exact places!!
    Right when I see his 'passion' in all those stuff (but unfortunately, all of them were rejected by his seemingly-"ESFP" dad for being just 'Unrealistic' , and just theory/concepts!) ,...I KNEW that I'll NEVER be able to be like him!!
    I suck at the details....which explain why more than often, I felt that I was badly misplaced at the wrong career & wrong position here in the factory

    but anyway, yeah, admitedly by him, the Factory is the Most-important think for my INTJ cousin.
    no wonder he often said to me that he just can't sleep at many nights, thinking of this concept, that concept, this idea, that idea, and fixing many errors & problems in the company........he even confessed that he sometimes DREAMT about the theories & concepts in his sleep!! (*while I dreamt about going to another galaxy & see many 'mysterious' but out-of-the-world things!* )
    The biggest problem I can see with motivated INTJ types is the lack of actualisation if you're too caught up with generating new concepts.

    If you live too much in the "what if" you might have pages of concepts, but you must chose a time and place, AND you must prove it. Focusing on the most advantageous and most likely idea to succeed with the highest payoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneti View Post
    The biggest problem I can see with motivated INTJ types is the lack of actualisation if you're too caught up with generating new concepts.

    If you live too much in the "what if" you might have pages of concepts, but you must chose a time and place, AND you must prove it. Focusing on the most advantageous and most likely idea to succeed with the highest payoff.
    With Te as secondary function, I think the INTJ type is probably the second strongest of the iNtuitive types on actualisation, behind ENTJs. Generally I think most INTJs are very good at following through with their ideas, compared to most other types. I think what you describe fits better to NPs.

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