Spartacuss
wholly charmed
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Is picking on NTJs an assholish thing to do?
Is picking on NTJs an assholish thing to do?
Is picking on NTJs an assholish thing to do?
-"The average person is a compete idiot. Like batsh_t stupid! Why do we let dumb people run this world?"
-"F_ck that idiot"
-"That person is an idiot, so I never listen to or do what they say, even though they are [my boss, the expert, the person in charge of that area, etc]"
-"OMG, how stupid can a person be? People like that shouldn't be in allowed to be in charge. I know they are in charge but I won't listen because they are an idiot. Intelligence always trumps leadership"
First of all thatgirl asked a rather valid question in an emotionally reactive way and she got tons of emotionally reactive replies. The only people who tried to take the thread in a more productive direction is fidelia and kuranes. Does that indicate anything to anyone or is it just me?
I don't see how these ones are that egregious. I've run across a lot of idiotic leadership, and in my personal time (which is when someone is most likely to be conversing with me about such things), I am likely to say things along those lines.
Merely saying these things is not a sign of immaturity or assholery. Only when they are not true do such phrases reflect poorly on the person who said them. Or if they are said in the inappropriate context (or directly to the person in charge, because they're not constructive). It doesn't seem like that was the context of your conversations, though. It seems like this person said these things to you in the context of a personal conversation.
These all came from people that are in their 20's through maybe their 40's. I kid you not.
I don't see how these ones are that egregious. I've run across a lot of idiotic leadership, and in my personal time (which is when someone is most likely to be conversing with me about such things), I am likely to say things along those lines.
Merely saying these things is not a sign of immaturity or assholery. Only when they are not true do such phrases reflect poorly on the person who said them. Or if they are said in an inappropriate context (or directly to the person in charge, because they're not constructive). It doesn't seem like that was the context of your conversations, though. It seems like this person said these things to you in the context of a personal exchange between you (and maybe some other friends/acquaintances).
Considering there all paraphrasings that have been modified to serve your point....
Yours is one point of view, and understandable from a certain perspective. There are other views, at least some of which are reasonable and/or understandable from other different perspectives. At the least, these seem to me rather dismissive, which will earn one ire from some quarters. Especially in a workplace. Also, I don't think your average or typical person will appreciate being called stupid, a pawn, etc. At the very least, thats not a good way to make friends and influence people. Condescension [sp?] tends to make people not like you [you as in general, not you as in the quoted poster]. I'm also trying to give something of a range of things I've heard said, some may be rather blatant, others might not even seem offensive. Again, I'm trying to span the range.
I'm trying to present reasons or evidence why people can see NT's as assholes. Which isn't to say that everyone will agree with that assessment, but hopefully people will at least maybe understand how other people can arrive at that assessment. In short, I'm trying to constructively contribute to this thread. Maybe I don't need to declare that, but I felt that it would help.
You don't know that. I've tried to minimize personal distortions. They could almost be actual quotes but might be off by an unimportant word or two [a, and, the, etc]. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if I've actually toned some of them down some, as in less swearing and less uses of insulting words such as "What did those stupid idiots due now. They are all as dumb as Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson. What a bunch of f-cking morons, etc"
-"Intelligence is SO not rewarded in our society!"
So if the NTs really feel the things they say then they're not assholes, right?Not if that's how you really "feel".
Yes they do. And making the evaluations makes them assholes if the evaluations are not kind or popular.I'm doing my best to quote things, so as to minimize any personal distortions and to let things stand on their own without having to go through my filters first. I'm of the opinion that "people make their own nooses", I'm just publicly recording/declaring what they said. Others will make their evaluations as they will.
+1.I don't see how these ones are that egregious. I've run across a lot of idiotic leadership, and in my personal time (which is when someone is most likely to be conversing with me about such things), I am likely to say things along those lines.
Merely saying these things is not a sign of immaturity or assholery. Only when they are not true do such phrases reflect poorly on the person who said them. Or if they are said in an inappropriate context (or directly to the person in charge, because they're not constructive). It doesn't seem like that was the context of your conversations, though. It seems like this person said these things to you in the context of a personal exchange between you (and maybe some other friends/acquaintances).
That's a far more thoughtful definition than the OP's.Yeah I agree. People can deserve to be mocked. I equate assholeishness with the creation of undeserved offensives against people.
Seriously,
Don't give me this I am so out of touch with my emotions crap. You are all smart people. You understand MBTI. So why, with all your knowledge are you so goddamn proud at your dysfunction and assholery? You would think, if you were a real NT, that you would be ashamed at what you have not perfected.
Yeah I agree. People can deserve to be mocked. I equate assholeishness with the creation of undeserved offensives against people.
I'll just say this. Someone made this thread, and I'm doing what I can to provide evidence that people can assess and come to their own conclusions about. People's words and actions can be interpreted in many different ways. A number of things that I've heard people say or that I've read, including on this thread, could be reasonably considered by many people who aren't NT as being derisive [sp?], rude, mean, condescending, etc. I would expect that it would behoove NT's to be aware of the things that they do or say that others could see as offensive/_ssholishness and to understand why others might think/feel that way. What NT's do with that information is up to them.
For the record, I've met a lot of NT's, some I thought acted like _ssholes, some I thought did not.