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    How about the INFPs, what do you think about them? Keep in mind the varying levels of maturity... an immature INFP + ENTJ = lmao.
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    Re: INTPs - this type often pisses me off, and I think it's their lack of direction that does it, sometimes. That ... I don't know ... the tendency to go off on thoughtful tangents, to not have their eyes on the prize etc. But I dont dislike them and yeah, given their inherent differences while still being NT theyre probably good critics of ENTJs.

    INFPs - am surrounded by the buggers! can't get away! so I must like them. No seriously, I think INFPs are GREAT conversational partners, I love talking to them, even if half the time I get the sense that even though we may be using similiar words, we can be talking about very different concepts/feelings. I don't like INFPs in a bad mood, but then again no likes anyone in a bad mood.

    For number 2, do you do that easily yourself when the situation warrants it, or would it be something you find difficult to do and therefore respect those who can?
    Ha, nope. Not even gonna pretend here. Of course it's hard for me to admit I'm wrong, and I think it's even harder to show vulnerability (on a related note, this is something that causes tension with me and my INFP - it takes SO MUCH for me to show I'm vulnerable that even the smallest snub can seem huge to me and really hurt). And yeah, it possible has something to do with me respecting people who can do this. It's a rare person, of any type imo, who easily admits being wrong or vulnerable. Maybe the Fs are better at vulnerability? Dunno.

    In answer to number 3, all the STJ people mentioned that they would have to determine if the person was just a complainer crying for attention. They all seemed very worried about people doing this. For you it sounds more like wanting people to control their emotions enough to express them in an appropriate venue.
    Yeah it's the latter for me. Someone being emotional for attention is either going to get ignored by me or have the piss taken out of them, but it genuinely does bug me when overt emotion is shown in inappropriate situations. This might have more to do with my English genes than my type, tho?

    For number 4, do you talk about things before the decision has been made, while you are in process, or is it a done deal before you would start discussing it with anyone?
    This is pretty easy to answer - I very, very rarely talk about plans before I've made a decision.

    Number 5 seemed to be more about the content of the compliment for STJs and doing it casually in a non-emotional way. For you, it is more who it comes from and whether they are qualified to comment.
    Yes, correct. 'Qualified' sounds kind of arrogant, I didn't mean it that way - I meant more to do with how much I respect them. A professor I admire a lot complimented me once and I nearly cried with pride.

    Number 6 - Do people think that they know all about you because you come of as extroverted, or are they aware that you are only being your social self and there's more stuff they aren't likely to see?
    Both. I think a lot of people might make the mistake of thinking extroverts necessarily reveal more of themselves just because they're Es, but I don't think so. Not with me anyway. I will rarely if ever discuss issues that I really, really care about or that genuinely deeply upset me. And if I do, I'll often involuntarily make it jokey or lace it with a sarcastic bravado.
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    I know that there have been a lot of "What do you think of my type?" questions so far, but I can't help but ask... do you like ESTJs, generally? I ask because, in my experience, ESTJs like ENTJs, and I wanted to know if that liking is reciprocated.

    Also, are there any types that you CONSISTENTLY dislike? Or does it mostly depend on non-type-related factors?
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    What kinds of things really bother you and make you feel vulnerable? I know thinkers have feelings of course, but I don't really understand how things are felt by them and what kinds of things would induce hurt.

    Do you ever apologize? Under what circumstances?

    Is there anyone that you would show vulnerability to? Would they see most of it, or only a little bit? How would that be manifested?

    What's something that you really need or appreciate from the people close to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I know that there have been a lot of "What do you think of my type?" questions so far, but I can't help but ask... do you like ESTJs, generally? I ask because, in my experience, ESTJs like ENTJs, and I wanted to know if that liking is reciprocated.

    Also, are there any types that you CONSISTENTLY dislike? Or does it mostly depend on non-type-related factors?
    In my experience, ESTJs don't like me. Esp. the males, they seem to see my as some sort of competitor (because in some ways we have similar strenghts).
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    Huh. Interesting. Presumably this is just in work relationships? I suppose I had been thinking outside of work. Is it the same in casual situations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Huh. Interesting. Presumably this is just in work relationships? I suppose I had been thinking outside of work. Is it the same in casual situations?
    You're right...in casual situations I'm totally cool with ESTJs
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    Okay, sweet So I have another question. I believe that kangirl said earlier that ESTJs are more likely to need to be the leader. (I kind of disagree with that, but that's not the point.) It's been my experience that when an ESTJ and an ENTJ get together, the dominant one is usually the ENTJ (by which I mean that the ENTJ will do more of the talking, and the ESTJ will do more of the listening). Has this been your experience, too? If so, do you think it has anything to do with the air of confidence that so many ENTJs emit?
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    1) Both ENTJs and ESTJs tend to like being in charge and people sometimes mistake them. What are the main things that distinguish the two types from each other?

    It would seem that ESTJs have a more direct desire to control people for control's sake. Whereas, ENTJ's view their control as a means to an end.

    2) What earns your respect the most?

    Competence. Someone who doesn't back down from my challenge. Someone who stands for their convictions against all opposition.

    3) How do you feel/what do you do when people are emotional around you?

    Depends on how close that person is to me. If its a close friend I'll talk it out with them (as long as its a reasonable outburst and they're not just making a mountain out of a mole hill). If the person is not close to me, then I have nothing to say. There is nothing I hate worse than people who go all to pieces at the slightest conflict or issue.

    4) Would you say you are confident through and through or is it more just the impression that the people around you have? Do you have much inner self-doubt or insecurity?

    In school or work environs I have confidence through and through. In social settings (especially ones in which I'm not good friends with all there) I can lose my confidence. Basically I'm confident in any situation where I understand whats going on and have some semblance of control over the outcome.

    5) If someone was going to give you a compliment or someone was going to recognize you for something, what would you feel greatest about being complimented on and what form would that recognition take?

    Anything concerning strength of character means a lot to me.

    6) What would you most want people to know about who you are or what is important to you?

    My belief in doing whats right. How I stand up for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post

    1) Both ENTJs and ESTJs tend to like being in charge and people sometimes mistake them. What are the main things that distinguish the two types from each other?
    I liked the quote "ENTJs look like they just came back from a trip, ESTJs look like they just got ready for work" that I read somewhere on the forum.

    Generally ESTJs will be more "propper" and will reference procedure. ENTJs have less respect for authority and are a lot less likely to make an appeal to tradition. Basically the ENTJ is an NT nerd at heart, while the ESTJ is the SJ enforcer at heart .

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    2) What earns your respect the most?
    I have respect for people who are genuine, honest and straightforward, people who are themselves. People who are no-nonsense and say what they think right away. I also appreciate it if people are able to show their sensitive side and their vulnerability.

    I also have huge respect for people who prevail against all odds, people who fight for what they believe is right even in the face of adversity.

    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    3) How do you feel/what do you do when people are emotional around you?
    It depends on why they are emotional, if I can understand the reason I will try to comfort them, though I might feel a little .. helpless while doing so.

    Though often I will get a simple "does not compute" response from my brain when someone gets upset in my presence, because I simply dont understand what's there to get worked up about. In that case I will try to get away from the situation, or simply ignore the emotional person.

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    4) Would you say you are confident through and through or is it more just the impression that the people around you have? Do you have much inner self-doubt or insecurity?
    If I feel competent in what I am doing then I ususally feel extremely confident. If I am in a heated discussion about a topic I know I am competent in and I think I am right then I lose all respect for authority and rank. In that situation I feel extremely intense and am confident I can overpower almost anyone, boss, teacher, doesnt matter.

    On the orher hand, if I feel that the other person has superior competence, or when I am in a place where I dont know people and don't know the social dynamics between people, so that I cannot predict people's reactions I often feel intimidated and might come across as timid and cautious.

    When I read the ENTJ description it seems like "wow, I should be a total badass like Napoleon all the time". But it's not like that, I feel uncomfortable in many situations. Especially if the situation calls for "casual" behaviour among unfamiliar people, I know that I am not casual and I appear out of place in those situations, which makes the whole thing very ackward. Though I have to say that I do get along pretty ok with SPs usually, the tertiary Se helps .

    I also feel uncomfortable if I am expected to "express my feelings"
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    5) If someone was going to give you a compliment or someone was going to recognize you for something, what would you feel greatest about being complimented on and what form would that recognition take?
    If I think the person making the compliment is competent it will mean a lot to me, though I will probably seem ackward when responding to the compliment.

    I will feel good about the fact that the other person has validated / recognized my competence in a given area, and I will probably enjoy working with that person more in the future because of a feeling of mutual professionalism.


    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    6) What would you most want people to know about who you are or what is important to you?
    I am not as stuck up and serious as I appear to be, I can be loads of fun if you meet me outside of work/school. I aim to be fair in all instances, and I aim to stand up for those who are treated unjustly at all times.

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