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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkan View Post
    LOL looking at my whole entire life, I am not an ENTP, but I did score as an ENTP previously.
    Wasn't basing it on your previous incarnation. The accusation of "ENTP" is based on what you're doing here in this thread.

    Alternatively, name an ENFJ who promotes division and competition for the sake of learning more about people and you're her.


    And I amend my previous answer from ISFJ to INFP. In a vacuum they're logical, unbiased, and painfully true, emphasis on pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    The accusation of "ENTP" is based on what you're doing here in this thread.
    Well, regardless, I am impressed that you made the astute observation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Alternatively, name an ENFJ who promotes division and competition for the sake of learning more about people and you're her.
    Or him. JK. Great pts. My alter ego is ENTP, you are so right. I am addicted to harmony, however. My first response is to wince in pain, but then I think about how to best communicate with you guys, and still be myself. Plus, I am all for competition. When in Rome...I find you guys' insights precious and invaluable, and intellectual competition is a way to schmooze. Or else I might not keep things going. Its for the greater good. I don't want to distract from the topic either, bc that can offend, and also giving an answer without justification for it can offend...so in a way, I am promoting competition in order to promote harmony. I speak the lang.
    I mean, look at this thread- its beautiful. I am much more comfortable with dissonance than the usual ENFJ. But its evolution, I am convinced- Dissonance is what propels ppl to motivation. If as an ENFJ I am always trying to shield ppl from feeling bad, they will never achieve their potential, and I won't even ever find out what their true passion is. Thus leading them down the wrong road for them. Its the negative emotions that tell us what we want, much more than the positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And I amend my previous answer from ISFJ to INFP. In a vacuum they're logical, unbiased, and painfully true, emphasis on pain.
    Thank you for the answer. I am scratching my head, though. I think you are just trying to figure me out. You are welcome to, though. Keep it coming.
    My reasoning is that a close friend who is an INFP is often illogical and doesn't make sense. She can cut to the core of truth, but not if she is emotionally invested.

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    Well, I'll tell you what, the real answer, for most logical, unbiased, painfully true critique is ENFJ. And they're good writers. It's just they almost never come right out and say that critique. Same with INFP, good writers and great critiquers, except INFP is actually more likely to say what they think, but just in such a quick, low voice, and then it's gone. I still say get them tipsy. Then you'll start hearing some things you didn't expect. Is it okay if the article is written drunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Well, I'll tell you what, the real answer, for most logical, unbiased, painfully true critique is ENFJ. And they're good writers. It's just they almost never come right out and say that critique. Same with INFP, good writers and great critiquers, except INFP is actually more likely to say what they think, but just in such a quick, low voice, and then it's gone. I still say get them tipsy. Then you'll start hearing some things you didn't expect. Is it okay if the article is written drunk?
    LOL you really don't need to flatter me so much, although you do it well, its nice to be flattered, and you r subtle abt it. I like you anyways. Meaning, I will like you even when you aren't flattering me.
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    I think INTP in general. Although an INTJ would probably give the critic way more head on and straight. An INTP might be able to bring the critisism at a less confrontational manner, but just enough for the person receiving the critisism not to shy away from it alltogether. Whereas many people would probably be intimidated by an INTJ's critisism to throw it all away without taking it into much or any consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkan View Post
    I understand that is what you are saying. I do not mean to be obstinate or challenge your authority. However, I was hoping for more information in your answer.
    I appreciate the consideration in your answer and will provide an explanation based on a definition of Extraverted Thinking:

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/extravertedthinking.html
    Empirical thinking is at the core of extraverted Thinking when we challenge someoneís ideas based on the logic of the facts in front of us or lay out reasonable explanations for decisions or conclusions made, often trying to establish order in someone elseís thought process

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    My critique of TV last night was the so stupid it's scary kind of scary, murder and death
    stories, infomercials and reality on Red Bull. I guess the people in charge of last night's
    line up must have had brainlock like in that commercial...nothing remotely intelligent af-
    ter King Of The Hill and The PJs ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    I appreciate the consideration in your answer and will provide an explanation based on a definition of Extraverted Thinking:
    Ah! Well, you were right- that is a simple explanation. And a very good argument.

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    INTP hands-down.

    INTJs will be prone to injecting too much of themselves and will approach the subject as it relates to purpose. INTPs will just analyze it for what it is, which will lead to more accurate criticism.

    Edit: It follows that if you need the criticism to change the course of a project, then the INTJ would be preferable.
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    After considering the question of who is the best critic, INTJs or INTPs, the correct answer is that it depends. The question is: what does it depend on? It depends primarily on what is being subject to criticism and the context in which it is called into question. Let's begin with the importance of context. I can picture an INTJ moving a fridge through an awkward doorway and an INTP sitting in an arm chair shouting instructions or criticizing how the INTJ is moving it. Most things in life are easier to look at objectively when you don't have a vested stake in the matter. Yet I'm convinced that if you put an INTJ and INTP in a similar scenario with two sets of rooms and doors to move the fridges through, the INTJ will do it faster and more efficiently. This is so because the INTJ is more likely to endorse an empirical/experimental/active approach than a rational/deductive/speculative one which is often more effective in a circumstance like this. It should be noted that due to a long history of Jness, the INTJ too could be highly critical as an outside observer. A difference, however, is that the INTJ is more likely to get up and help and/or show how it could be done more effectively. Thus, I think it can be broadly established that INTJs are more critical of ideas that have no basis in empirical fact. A history of INTJness affords them a library of experiences of what works and doesn't work which they are constantly drawing from and building on. However, their Jness is also a psychological bias that is conducive to goals and action but may result in the loss of greater objectivity. In other words, the indifference afforded by Pness gives INTPs the space to look at something comparatively more dispassionately than the INTJ. In certain affairs that are beyond the goals and intellectual interests of the INTJ, this comparatively more indifferent and dispassionate approach can be a source for better criticisms. On the other hand, the criticisms generating by Ne and Ti may not be as elaborate and comprehensive as those generated by Ni and Te. Thus, the sorts of criticisms are also going to be different. As an INTJ, I enjoy the criticisms of other INTJs since we're on the same page and, although working towards different goals we follow a similar process. Thus, any criticism that makes us more efficient in that process and more bulletproof intellectually is constructive criticism. Thus, ultimately answering who is the best critic depends on the criterion of what constitutes the best critic.

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