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    This discussion is a travesty.

    It is one thing to discuss the abstract qualities of a function, it is another to describe those qualities, again abstractly, as they would work in action on a given problem, and it is grossly and wildly another thing all together to place that description ahead of the actual functioning of a human being abroad in the world.

    The people come first. The description comes second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    So, hands up who reckons MBTI can be used prescriptively.

    Much as I hate to say it, a question like the one starting this thread, with an actual application waiting in the wings, comes down to the person and their product, not the type and their type.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    I think a poll on the subject would give an 'objective' answer.

    Or maybe it'll just show how many INTP's there are compared to INTJ's as most of the people in this thread seem to simply defend their own type. Good example of group thinking though.
    I would love to make a poll. I wanted to also give back to the forum though, after I mend some of my time management problems. I mean everyone has given great answers. I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing such a topic. Its intellectually stimulating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    I was thinking of a poll in this thread whether other forum members thought INTJ's or INTP's were more suitable. In the interest of fairness there would obviously also be options for the other types as they tended to defend their own type rather then choose one of the two in the thread title.

    But all this has just been blown into the hypothetical world.
    I would be the one to create that poll, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    This discussion is a travesty.

    It is one thing to discuss the abstract qualities of a function, it is another to describe those qualities, again abstractly, as they would work in action on a given problem, and it is grossly and wildly another thing all together to place that description ahead of the actual functioning of a human being abroad in the world.

    The people come first. The description comes second.
    Is any discussion a travesty?
    You are right, objectifying by type is not an extremely kind thing to do.
    If someone's feelings are hurt, though, because someone is having an intellectual discussion, then I don't know what to say.

    What I like about type is that it does reduce human beings into more of a "number." and then we put those numbers back into the equation of life.

    Yes, this can be hurtful. But the process is a lot quicker than, say, discussing such a topic without classifications for people. There are so many different kinds of people in this world, and if there is a way to remember all of the info that we process from day to day about those people better by assigning 1 of 16 types, then i'm all for it. Yes it is not all inclusive but better than nothing.

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    ENTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Can you explain further? I don't understand what you wrote.
    Perceivers will understand the situation better, but tend to have poorer judgement in their selection of what to say. Judgers will select the right things to say, but with a less true to reality image to start with.

    Both INTP and INTJ take reasonably detached perspectives, so that part was just saying if you don't connect with the piece of art and instead analyse it as a science system, what you write isn't worth squat. With most art there is no truly objective way to judge it. Music is judged with the ears, paintings are judged with the eyes. If you just have to fit a list to be good, the idea of creativity and art is gone.

    I'm not sure what sort of critic you are talking though. For science stuff INTP hands down, no one else is anywhere near as thorough and uncompromising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    Perceivers will understand the situation better, but tend to have poorer judgement in their selection of what to say. Judgers will select the right things to say, but with a less true to reality image to start with.
    Unless they're older and more experienced.

    See how the person comes before the type here? The attributes the person brings to their type will make maybe even substantial differences to real life outcomes.

    What the hell is wrong with you people?!

    I'm not sure what sort of critic you are talking though. For science stuff INTP hands down, no one else is anywhere near as thorough and uncompromising.
    How about an ENFP with a science degree and a mission to fulfil in, say, whatever human rights issue is raised by the topic needing criticism, and who doesn't want to take any polemic shortcuts in being right about that topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Unless they're older and more experienced.

    See how the person comes before the type here? The attributes the person brings to their type will make maybe even substantial differences to real life outcomes.

    What the hell is wrong with you people?!

    How about an ENFP with a science degree and a mission to fulfil in, say, whatever human rights issue is raised by the topic needing criticism, and who doesn't want to take any polemic shortcuts in being right about that topic?

    If you don't mind me asking, why are you so upset? What in this thread has hurt your feelings so much?

    I really don't know that I can appreciate you attacking all "you people" who have put time and thought into crafting responses to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    ENTP.
    Thank you for your response.

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