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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
    Ok someone other than an INTP please post here before I start getting a complex.

    Preferably someone who agrees with me
    I agree.

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    Makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
    Ok someone other than an INTP please post here before I start getting a complex.

    Preferably someone who agrees with me
    Maybe if you told us clear what you would like to hear we could fake agreement with you! Unlikely, but it may be worth a shot.

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    lol, nevermind. Its a hopeless cause. I relent.
    Embrace the possibilities.

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    If anyone's read Herman Hesse's Siddhartha, the Kamala love story I'd venture to guess is an INTP version of love...
    "Stop it, you fuck. Give him some butter."
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    The ending was funny. It's the kind of thing that I'd drop into a story.

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    I'm sorry, I just didn't get why this was funny at all... is it really just me??? It's mildly amusing, but I don't see what the fuss is all about.

    And since you asked to break it down:
    -(INTP) the heart is "cambodian", and the brain is "educated" (wtf btw - are they opposites?)
    -(INTP) assuming that heart and brain are in the same body, then the brain has complete ability to stop the heart from eating said flower.
    -(INTP) if they were so hungry, why didn't they just eat the vastly available brown grass to begin with?
    -(INTP) says the heart got his sight back, then goes on to say that he is blind and incapacitated. which one is it?
    -(INTP) where would you find a cactus and a lion?

    -(INTJ) you say the botanist could not possibly be knowledgeable because every single flower is different, but then go on to say that there are similar plants in this new world - introducing rules and structure to a fantasy story that wasn't even yours.
    -(INTJ) the moral was underdeveloped - just because you haven't done something life threatening, doesn't mean you haven't lived.
    -(INTJ) so many emoticons.

    From these clues, I can assess that both of you relied heavily on Aux/Tert functions to tell the story. The INTJ (Te) impatiently jumped in a few times to try to clarify or wrap it up neatly with a moral (Fi). But being Tert, the Fi seems to be clumsy. True to form, the Te was active and even asserted that the story would be published.

    The INTP (Ne) never once mentioned a moral, but tried to show that even the most straightforward story can end randomly. True to form, the Ne was passive and made no judgment but did make a word association based on the memory (Si) of what he *thinks* he knew about "Cambodia": the lion. (but of course, there are no lions in Cambodia and maybe meant to say tiger?)

    What was surprising was the lack of INTP Dom function usage (due to drinking??), the Ti should have caught those inconsistencies. His Ne usage seems uncomfortable and sparse for him to rely on, imo, which is why I probably didn't get it - my Ne is a lot more dense, since I rely on it so heavily. If you hadn't specifically mentioned the word "love" in the title, and then interjected his analogy with the moral, I would have never known this analogy could have been related to love. Which means, he did not feed my Ne and give me enough details/images to work with.

    I am not quite clear how Dom Ni works, so I can't comment on that. But from written descriptions of "aha moments", I also don't see it in action.

    (and don't get me started on the spelling, lol...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I'm sorry, I just didn't get why this was funny at all... is it really just me??? It's mildly amusing, but I don't see what the fuss is all about.

    And since you asked to break it down:
    -(INTP) the heart is "cambodian", and the brain is "educated" (wtf btw - are they opposites?) In this instance, they kind of were in the telling. I think INTP's are more apt to see this huge gap between T and F than INTJ's are. For them there seems to be a more distinct line and sometimes it may really seem like two different people...
    -(INTP) assuming that heart and brain are in the same body, then the brain has complete ability to stop the heart from eating said flower. I beg to differ! You're approaching love again as a rational state where you can reason your way into or out of it, and from other threads here I believe we've determined that not everyone works like that. That was essentially the entire point of the argument... "Can falling in love be rational"
    -(INTP) if they were so hungry, why didn't they just eat the vastly available brown grass to begin with?
    -(INTP) says the heart got his sight back, then goes on to say that he is blind and incapacitated. which one is it? Ohhh I wish I'd caught this when we were debating... would have made for a fun technicality, which he hates LOL
    -(INTP) where would you find a cactus and a lion?

    -(INTJ) you say the botanist could not possibly be knowledgeable because every single flower is different, but then go on to say that there are similar plants in this new world - introducing rules and structure to a fantasy story that wasn't even yours. There is a difference between inferring that one thing will have the same kinds of properties as something similar, versus knowing that they ARE the exact same thing. It was a kind of metaphor for each relationship being different, and just because a relationship that started with the same kinds of basic properties has caused heartache before, it doesn't mean that those same properties will ALWAYS lead to heartache. Its a SIMILAR flower, but not the same one. Judging prematurely is, in my opinion, wrong.
    -(INTJ) the moral was underdeveloped - just because you haven't done something life threatening, doesn't mean you haven't lived. Ahhh but always assuming that things will turn out the same, given similar circumstances seems cowardly to me, not 'rational'. It seems the 'rational' thing to do would be to explore thoroughly each relationship (aka flower) completely so as to KNOW its properties, rather than guess at them and pass it by. A person who backs away from every situation because they feel they've 'been there before' is only doing themselves harm. No one knows the outcome.
    -(INTJ) so many emoticons. I'm Enneagram 4

    From these clues, I can assess that both of you relied heavily on Aux/Tert functions to tell the story. The INTJ (Te) impatiently jumped in a few times to try to clarify or wrap it up neatly with a moral (Fi). I hate it when he lectures me lolBut being Tert, the Fi seems to be clumsy. True to form, the Te was active and even asserted that the story would be published.

    The INTP (Ne) never once mentioned a moral, but tried to show that even the most straightforward story can end randomly. True to form, the Ne was passive and made no judgment but did make a word association based on the memory (Si) of what he *thinks* he knew about "Cambodia": the lion. (but of course, there are no lions in Cambodia and maybe meant to say tiger?)

    What was surprising was the lack of INTP Dom function usage (due to drinking??), the Ti should have caught those inconsistencies. His Ne usage seems uncomfortable and sparse for him to rely on, imo, which is why I probably didn't get it - my Ne is a lot more dense, since I rely on it so heavily. If you hadn't specifically mentioned the word "love" in the title, and then interjected his analogy with the moral, I would have never known this analogy could have been related to love. Which means, he did not feed my Ne and give me enough details/images to work with.

    I am not quite clear how Dom Ni works, so I can't comment on that. But from written descriptions of "aha moments", I also don't see it in action.

    (and don't get me started on the spelling, lol...)
    NICE analysis Jen.

    I put my remarks in Bold Italics for kicks.

    Also... his J and P (as well as mine) are our lowest functions, so we both tend to bounce back and forth from INTP tendencies to INTJ tendencies... only he is slightly more often P and I am slightly more often J.
    Embrace the possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
    NICE analysis Jen.

    I put my remarks in Bold Italics for kicks.

    Also... his J and P (as well as mine) are our lowest functions, so we both tend to bounce back and forth from INTP tendencies to INTJ tendencies... only he is slightly more often P and I am slightly more often J.
    Hahaha, I just wrote out the things as I saw them and I understood all your metaphors - I just meant in the obvious way the brain controls all of the organs. You can have a pace maker but when you're braindead, you are dead, lol.

    I just thought the different ways you processed information was interesting, especially on the fly like that and while drinking. All of these were observations, not criticisms... Was fun to do.

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    INTP and Kabbalah ? Thats like the oldest story in history
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