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    I think ENTPs tend to show the greatest range of confidence development over time.

    Ultimately most will figure themselves out and grow into extraordinarily confident adults, but it can take time. I've sorted through a lot of insecurities myself, and still working on it.

    Just...the differences in the way we approach problem-solving in general have so many implications and especially not really understanding Fe at a young age, it's pretty insane at times. I remember consciously wondering to myself all the time why anyone bothered with any of the behaviors I now label to myself as xxFJ. It was just, wow, that shouldn't theoretically make any sense, see? You must be STUPID!

    Probably depends on a million factors, but...teenage ENTP males, especially, are notoriously insecure, as I myself can attest to.
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    hahaha, "hidden" insecurities? Please, INTPs prolly know ENTPs better than they know themselves. The transparency is funny sometimes.

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    ^ That's true.

    I've always said ENTPs just don't like admitting to having insecurities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ That's true.

    I've always said ENTPs just don't like admitting to having insecurities.
    I think the difference, for me, is that I can know something and not dwell on it. Like I may just know that I am not so good at x,y and z, but I do those things anyway without giving it another thought. Insecurity (or awareness of limitations) doesn't paralyze me the way it does with other types. So I don't consider myself to be insecure in the traditional sense. But perhaps I am confused about what you mean by insecure??

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I think ENTPs tend to show the greatest range of confidence development over time.

    Ultimately most will figure themselves out and grow into extraordinarily confident adults, but it can take time. I've sorted through a lot of insecurities myself, and still working on it.
    Yeah, likewise.

    I've found being an open book pretty worthwhile, though. There's not a whole lot that's "hidden" about me anymore. I freely talk about my experiences with anxiety and depression, and I don't tend to attach my ego to things that occur around me. It's taken a while to get there.

    Anymore, my main vice is anger.. pent-up anger, specifically, when my trust is violated. I have some need for security and stability in my life, probably more than I realize, and a breach of trust indicates an erosion of that.

    When someone betrays my trust in a relatively big way, they don't go in the category of "oh well i just can't share that sort of information with them or just avoid them," they go on my shit list. I will brood over the problem. As good at social manipulation as I can be, this is really the only time it comes out. While they have placed me in some "neutral" or even "positive" category themselves and treat me as such, I'll "inadvertently" hit them where it hurts in our conversations, casually dropping hints that strike their insecurities. Onlookers would have no idea what's transpiring, and, really, neither will that other person. All that person knows is that they feel worse than they did.

    Think Harry in Spider-Man 3. Except probably less of a total bastard, but more cunning about it.

    Basically, I have trouble placing my trust in the Powers that Be to ensure that whatever justice is truly warranted is actually carried out.. rather than effectively pursuing vigilantism as I do.

    This has only occurred with two people, and it's something that I want to let go of; I just hope that I have the strength to never do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I think ENTPs tend to show the greatest range of confidence development over time.

    Ultimately most will figure themselves out and grow into extraordinarily confident adults, but it can take time. I've sorted through a lot of insecurities myself, and still working on it.

    Just...the differences in the way we approach problem-solving in general have so many implications and especially not really understanding Fe at a young age, it's pretty insane at times. I remember consciously wondering to myself all the time why anyone bothered with any of the behaviors I now label to myself as xxFJ. It was just, wow, that shouldn't theoretically make any sense, see? You must be STUPID!

    Probably depends on a million factors, but...teenage ENTP males, especially, are notoriously insecure, as I myself can attest to.
    You know the young ones can be little punks, funny, rude and get into all types of mischief but are clever and witty and lots of fun. Many of the folks I went to grad school with remind me of all the younger entps here. Normal types of expected insecurities you'd see in young adults. I did like them very much though.

    But I think it may be overdevelopment of Fe on some level that triggers what me and the OP are seeing. It seems to be some sort of need for respect from others around them. It sounds like they use the skills jeno spoke of but use them for evil. They also have some materialistic tendancies but oddly expressed in a few select places.

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    I don't relate to the OP at all but...

    I give the impression of having few insecurities if any at all, I really, really, really don't like showing weakness, it feels like failure to me for someone to see them but I can assure you while there are areas where I have excess confidence in my abilities, there are other areas where I have plenty of insecurities, mostly in areas to do with personal relationships and expressing emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ...teenage ENTP males, especially, are notoriously insecure, as I myself can attest to.
    Awww shit! I'm gonna have to hide my age now! :steam:

    I don't know how insecure I really am... hmmm... Ok, well, I do certainly struggle with the unloved thing, but it's so easy to override it, and kill that insecurity by just saying that everybody loves you, even if it's not quite logical, or there's some slight evidence against it. Looking towards the future is another example, if you feel incompetent, and then reassure yourself that you'll have the skills you want in a couple weeks time, you won't feel insecure. It just gives you the confidence to move on and become great, instead of sitting there and crying over it all
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    how about looking at it from a different angle...

    how well do you guys take criticism? what if the critisicm is directed towards one of your ideas/inventions/creations that you are particularly proud of and that makes you feel accomplished? What would you do to defend that accomplishment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    Please, INTPs prolly know ENTPs better than they know themselves. The transparency is funny sometimes.
    How? Esp. with Fe in the inferior position?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ne-Monster View Post
    how about looking at it from a different angle...
    how well do you guys take criticism? what if the critisicm is directed towards one of your ideas/inventions/creations that you are particularly proud of and that makes you feel accomplished? What would you do to defend that accomplishment?

    Truthfully, it would depend on how the criticism was laid out.

    If I feel that the criticism is an example of their genuine interest in my ideas, AND has logical sound justification (it's all about the justification for me), then, I'd actually keep up the dialogue to allow them to poke the holes, so that next round, I can make my awsome into awsomest!

    If I feel that the person is criticizing to take me down a peg or two, or, some other personal investment beyond just the idea in isolation, and more about *me* at the other end....I'm gonna come back at them, HARD.

    I also like having the positives of what aspects WORKS highlighted concurrently with the criticisms.....it allows me to be more receptive to take the criticisms as what it truly is, evaluation of ideas.

    Rather than evaluation of myself surpassing my ideas. I don't like when people don't separate me from my ideas and/or put words in my mouth, assume, a thought-process of mine from the final product/idea.

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