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    I'll play even though helicopter blades have an RMP 100,000 and is OBVIOUSLY more than ample force to lift 5 people and the tensilary stregth of the modern rope ladder can OBVIOUSLY hold 5 people.

    If I had time to think of it, rationalize it, acccept it, I suppose I would cut the rope.

    In reality I would either pull someone off or just stay there because I wouldn't think it was fair that others got to be rescued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancynobullets View Post
    It just seems obvious to me. What else would be the point of the question?

    Further investigation is good. Pointing out the various holes in thisguy's scenario is unhelpful and pointless.
    I don't make assumptions as to anyone's point.

    My questioning is to see if there is any other solution (not to poke holes), since I would prefer that no one has to die. Anyway, Jennifer already summed it up best.

    Either way, what difference does it make to you how we answer the question? Just answer it the way you feel is best and move on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    Well, I'm gonna die anyway.

    So it's a matter of whether I want some company in the interim, or if I want to be noble and allow others to survive.

    I'll be noble. And lonely
    Hahaha that would give the statement "I am gonna die anyway, present company excluded" a completly new meaning
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    Since the whole scenario is imaginary, I just imagine a second helicopter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancynobullets View Post
    ... that wasnt the goal of the question, which was obviously meant to question our value systems.
    It was?
    Did you write the OP?
    How do you know this?

    In any case, as I specifically said earlier in this thread, my answer will not give a clear indication of my value system as it is stated -- that was one of my original issues.

    Also... what does this have to do with "conventional" values? Basically, my "values" might look like "values" but they're pretty reasoned... "Let's see: I'm hanging on a rope, it only holds four, I'm the last one, it makes sense for the most people to live, hence I let go." Change the situation -- I am #4 on the rope -- and I'd be telling the guy BELOW me to let go.

    It says nothing about what I think of HIM/HER as a person, nothing about what I think about life. It's a reasoned decision, and the value of my own particular life or another particular life is not really something I am taking into accord. I calculate the dynamics of the problem, then do what I think "makes sense" regardless of my "values." It's less a "sacrifice" and more an "efficient solution to the problem, proving best-end results."

    And since all these details IMPACT what I see as the "most probable BEST end result that maximizes life for everyone involved," the details matter in terms of deciding what happens. The truth is CALCULATED in real-time, based on the situation specifics, not imposed over it by a prior valueset.

    Does that answer the values question?

    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Since the whole scenario is imaginary, I just imagine a second helicopter.


    I'd imagine myself sitting at home in front of the TV in bunny slippers and drinking an espresso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerithria View Post
    Why'd the chopper leave at all? If you said that the capacity of the helicopter could only hold four people, that'd make sense. But you said the rope couldn't hold more than four. Which implies that if someone else climbed up, you could safely get all five into the helicopter before it leaves.
    magic helicopter



    Also, the mountain is magic, too.

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    So:
    Do I allow unavoidable personal death disfigure my present respect for life?

    Can't really say.

    I don't know. I hope I would make the 'right' choice.


    (I'm not sure what system of value this scenario serves to highlight; in all likelihood, the prospect of inevitable death would overwhelm reasonable thought and simply cascade the individual into a state of hysterical self-preservation. Nothing is really clarified by our answers. Only that, as distant theory, we may/may not recognize the value of life.)

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    This question is not practical, flawed, and I refuse to asnwer unless the question is properly rephrased to actually make sense.

    If for some odd reason I knew for sure the rope was gonna break anyway. I would cut the rope.

    But if this would happen real life I doubt I would know that and hang on instead.

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    What if you couldn't cut through the rope in those sub-zero temperatures? What then?
    Only after disaster can we be resurrected.

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    I know, I know Typology!

    You let go of the rope and stick them in your pants to warm them up first.
    ~Self-depricating Megalomaniacal Superwolf

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