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    Default NTs: stop saying emotions are irrational

    They're not. Nor is acting on them.

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    I don't think they're irrational. I just think they're something one keeps to themself, or only expresses in private.
    I know a girl, she's one of a kind
    But the poor little thing, she's going out of her mind
    There's something you forgot - there's a reason why she's lost
    Cos baby she don't want to be found

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    They're not. Nor is acting on them.

    Discuss.

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    But, but....WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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    Emotions, in the Humean sense, are not rational. Nevertheless they are what motivate everything we do, so the fact that they're not rational (in the philosophic sense) doesn't really matter. Reason is inert. It cannot motivate us to do anything. It only helps us figure out how to get from want to want and avoid pain.

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    While emotions are not rational, they are necessary.

    You have to want before you can use the reason to act accordingly.

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    Emotions are rational!


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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    Emotions, in the Humean sense, are not rational. Nevertheless they are what motivate everything we do, so the fact that they're not rational (in the philosophic sense) doesn't really matter. Reason is inert. It cannot motivate us to do anything. It only helps us figure out how to get from want to want and avoid pain.
    This.

    Emotions give meaning to our actions, separating the important from the insignificant. Imagine not being able make a decision because we cannot recognize the worth of counting beans vs. developing a new practical skill. Keep your feelings in check and you'll be able to use it effectively. Nothing's better than a wave of inspiration right when you need it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    Emotions, in the Humean sense, are not rational. Nevertheless they are what motivate everything we do, so the fact that they're not rational (in the philosophic sense) doesn't really matter. Reason is inert. It cannot motivate us to do anything. It only helps us figure out how to get from want to want and avoid pain.
    Verily, from a purely Humean standpoint. However, a Kantian perspective may suggest that reason can, in fact, be self-motivating. I, for one, believe that this is a somewhat misguided belief on the part of some Kantians, as even Kant spoke of the necessity of the emotion of "respect" to moral action. The idea is that we act "from duty" because we feel respect for the unconditional "moral law" (this respect serving as the ultimate motivation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    While emotions are not rational, they are necessary.
    QFT.

    At the end of the day, for any action a person takes, you can always ask "why" and logic only goes so far. At the bottom of everything we do, there is a value, based on emotions.

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    emotions make sense if you understand their evolutionary role. But they're in no case rational. It's an often inaccurate system that will for example increase your heart rate in case of stressful situations that have nothing to do with a need for the body to react quickly, like an exam. Make us afraid of the dark when we know there's absolutly no risk what so ever, make people cling to unhealthy relationships they know they should leave for their own good.

    I don't say emotions are 'bad'. I just say that stating that they are rational is like comparing evolution with genetic engineering. A winning bet with a carefully planned action.
    It's either stupid or comparison born in hubris. In the belief that what we are as human is so special that anything that we consider as 'animal like' is to be either elevated as sublime -love and so on- or cast down and despised -familial violence and so on-

    This kind of statement tells more about kan's hierarchical anthropocentered views than about 'NTs'.
    I'm perfectly fine with being a man with reason, emotions and instincts. Ideas and drives.
    It's just who I am, who we are.
    You either accept it or become anorexic\commit suicide or something.
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