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    (☞゚∀゚)☞ The Decline's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Emotions are premises, being rational takes you to an efficient conclusion based on those premises.
    Really? The last time I told a crying child that its emotions were irrational, it cried even more.
    "Stop it, you fuck. Give him some butter."
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    Have you been able to stop by now ?
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    No, I can't talk myself out of it! I know I'm right but it hurts, oh it hurts...
    "Stop it, you fuck. Give him some butter."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Decline View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Emotions are premises, being rational takes you to an efficient conclusion based on those premises.
    Really? The last time I told a crying child that its emotions were irrational, it cried even more.
    I don't get what you're saying, or why you think you disagree with me.

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    what about emotions are irrational, exactly?

    having them? because there are evolutionary reasons for that.

    expressing them? built into a pack mentality.

    now, to say that an emotion is reason to do something, on its own, is irrational, but not without merit in society-- therefore social instinct, the modern version of survival instinct, offers a reason to allow emotion free range.

    the frustration NTs generally feel is because rationality doesn't work in controlling our emotions as well-- at least not for me. so... emotions are irrational the same way a person can be irrational: frustratingly ignorant of (or oblivious to) reason.

    we have sayings to prove that this is a prevalent phenomenon. "love is blind": your lover is ugly, and you love him anyway; this is illogical, but emotions don't have to stand up to reason. everyone knows emotions CAN be irrational; that isn't to say that emotional people are too stupid to recognize logic. they just sometimes don't notice it or choose not to.

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    Your father needs a heart transplant

    He is further down the list than others yet there is a heart available right now

    You are a doctor and have the choice to give it to the person who has been waiting longer or to your father

    Give it to your father = emotional choice
    Give it to the person who has waited longer = rational choice

    The emotional choice is not always the "wrong" choice like in this scenario but its never the "rational" choice

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    What if your father had always put a lot of pressure on you to be a musician but you became a surgeon to spite him because cutting up people had always horrified him.

    Rationally speaking, you should give him the heart because he'd spend the rest of his days walking around with a beating reminder of your betrayal.

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    Like logic, it is a necessary part of life. You can embrace it and become a greater person, or fight it and fail to reach your individual potential.
    "The purpose of life is to be defeated by greater and greater things." - Rainer Maria Rilke

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    of course they're not irrational! my hatred is very rational and logically follows from my initial propositions!

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    I think that my discomfort with emotions (and emotional people) is resultant from the fact that I don't understand emotions. I don't like things I don't get, and I damn sure don't like things that seem to distract from whatever the Big Picture is. I can read people fairly well. I can pretty quickly parse out someone's motivations, and make pretty accurate predictions on how they will behave. Other people in this thread have made reference to the theoretical purposes and uses of emotions as indicated by evolutionary biology, and I can get that. But really intense emotions in other people just make me feel helpless. I don't know what to say or do...can't wrap my head around it. The point is, really, that I don't like the mess of emotions. They throw my whole thing off.

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