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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    Again, emotion can lead us to do stupid things ALL THE TIME. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm not even really advancing a solid belief here (other than the very broad "emotion is a good, useful, and not irrational thing, some of the time"), I'm just questioning this what-seems-to-be-largely-NT phenomenon of somehow viewing emotion or feeling or compassion as a weakness, as 'wrong' somehow.
    Oddly enough, I've seen more examples of NTs being chastised for this than of NTs saying emotions are a useless weakness . . . unless you consider a statement of "that doesn't make any sense to me" to be "emotions are a useless weakness."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    They're not. Nor is acting on them.

    Discuss.

    Will expand if this receives no replies.
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    ^ +1. It was adorable.

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    If emotions aren't irrational, how exactly can NT "Rationals" contrast themselves with NFs? You're the rationals, we're the irrationals. Being irrational and imaginative is a lot more interesting, though.

    If people start thinking acknowledging and embracing emotion is rational, they might expect more from us. *gulp*

    Yeah, you NTs keep that responsibility. I certainly don't want it.

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    Cowards, all of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    Cowards, all of you.
    Yeah. Maybe we should just call ourselves the NF cowardly and the NT arrogant?

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    I'm not saying emotions are irrational by nature. I'm just saying that when someones emotions evolve to the point of saying that it is irrational -not- to give in to emotions, all the while judging a group of people in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    If emotions aren't irrational, how exactly can NT "Rationals" contrast themselves with NFs? You're the rationals, we're the irrationals. Being irrational and imaginative is a lot more interesting, though.
    Although offered in jest, your critique has teeth.

    Quartering the MBTI into continental subgroups (SJ; SP; NF; NT) makes sense until oppositional/subjective language was introduced (ironically) probably as a means to add clarifying depth to the temperament summaries.

    Instead of providing process-enhancing detail, the descriptions introduce artificial terms of implied value (Mastermind v. Mechanic). It's only natural that, from here, folks unfamiliar with the non-hierarchical nature of the MBTI would necessarily presume quality of mind/behavior against type.

    In the end, applying these labels (versus simply offering an itemized breakdown of observed trait preference) distorts the MBTI into a 'tiered' (semi-competitive) framework.

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    Emotions ARE irrational, burn them.

    Rationality being irrational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I see a LOT of NTs dismissing emotion outright, all the time. There seems to be a belief, with some, that emotion is *always* a bad thing, that it needs to be controlled/ignored 100% of the time if one is to remain a 'rational' person. And I just personally completely disagree with this and would hope never to live in a world where emotions are considered second rate, somehow, regardless of context.
    NT's like myself only think emotions are bad when they conflict with rational decisions. I believe better results can usually be obtained when we let the brain rule the heart.

    2. You're walking down the street and witness the above scenario happening to someone else. What's the rational response here? Is compassion a rational response?
    Cooperation with others is what allowed us to dominate our world. Nature equipped us with compassion in order to promote cooperation. When we look at the big picture, it is rational to help the victim as long as the risks are reasonable. It increases the likelihood that I will receive help should I become the victim.

    And another one, in the courtroom. Is there anyone who believes that compassion has no place in a courtroom?
    From the perspective of self interest, leniency here is not necessarily irrational. If I ended up on trial, allowing the courts to exercise compassion would increase the likelihood that I will get a second chance. It's all based on the cost/benefit analysis.

    In this example, suppose you let the rapist off easy simple because he's a handsome hunk. This would be a clear example where emotions caused a bad decision since it increases the danger to yourself.

    Feelings are much more fallible than logic.

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