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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
    That's probably more true than most people give credit for.
    This is pretty close to the case for a lot of people, I'm willing to bet. One of my closest friends I've made since I started college started living to get drunk every weekend because he didn't want to deal with a lot of the bullshit he'd been fed throughout his life (his family have absolutely crazy cult-like Christian beliefs, no joke. He believed his preacher could raise people from the dead. No kidding.) He'd always been a little bit of a pothead and a guy who enjoys having a good time, but then he started using the substances as an excuse to deal with life, or he would try to take pills to help give him the motivation to get things done...He pretty much failed out of school because he didn't want to deal with reality. He thought about joining the marines during the process of him dropping out, but because he was told that it didn't look good to quit halfway through the year, he stayed in school and didn't go to any of his classes. I'm pretty sure that now he's given up on the marine idea since they'd only make him into a grunt.

    It's pretty sad to see one of your friends go through all of this shit, but I just had to cut him loose and stop caring about him.
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    A - if this is really ALL your friends do for fun, find better friends. seriously, friends are for talking to/having fun with.

    B - if not, just avoid most of those times and suggest/plan events that are more to your liking; pool/potlucks/dress-up parties/movies/video game nights/computer game nights/sports/etc etc there are a million things, all generally more interesting than a night of getting wasted, although sometimes its fun to drink during most of those things. Sometimes you have to take the initiative in planning these things though.

    I used to like going out and getting drunk but I got bored of it a few years ago, now I get drunk maybe every few months, and not to excess in years, as far as I remember. I don't like pubs/bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    thats well and good if your gonna live in your own world. if you do want to live in the real world (and as an Exxx, you might want to), you do need first impression thru resume credibitliy and, at the very least, college will get you that.
    lol don't lecture me about the "real world." I've got a better "real world" job than most of my friends with college degrees.

    You can make a first impression through means other than having a degree. That's one method by which some people manage to get their foot in the door at a new company, but if you're already doing professional quality work, you can find a job much more easily than someone with a degree and no real experience.

    Point is, real world experience wins out over a piece of paper that says you know what you're doing. College is hugely misrepresented in American culture as some kind of iron lung that only the most destitute of total losers would dare brave the challenges of real life without, but at the end of the day, employers want to know if you can do the job.

    If I've been out there doing the job effectively and showing solid profit margins from it while you've been hiding yourself away in academia for a decade to avoid ever having to face the real world, guess what? When you finish school, my resume still looks better than yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Point is, real world experience wins out over a piece of paper that says you know what you're doing. College is hugely misrepresented in American culture as some kind of iron lung that only the most destitute of total losers would dare brave the challenges of real life without, but at the end of the day, employers want to know if you can do the job.

    If I've been out there doing the job effectively and showing solid profit margins from it while you've been hiding yourself away in academia for a decade to avoid ever having to face the real world, guess what? When you finish school, my resume still looks better than yours.
    cant argue with that.

    thats all well and good once you have that experience and are well on your way. but is that something you would recommend as the best course of action to 20 yr olds like me? recently out of high school knowing jack shit about anything except what the public school system taught you

    and correct me if im wrong but, atleast in north america, dont you need licenses to practice certain professions? most of these licenses are usually only issued on the basis of a post secondary education.

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    ^ I'm hardly older than you at 22.

    You do need a license to practice certain professions, and yes, you'll have to go to college for those. I didn't say that college is worthless or can't help you, just that if the only reason you're going is because you feel like you should, and not because you're actually motivated to study and get involved in a certain field, you're wasting an awful lot of time and money.

    If you look at college as an opportunity to meet people in your field and not as a chore to get done, it'll help you. If you look at it as something you have to get out of the way in order to graduate into the "real world", your situation is not likely to improve much even after you're done with it.

    Personally, I work in music--teaching and performing. I don't make an enormous amount of money yet, but I'm still pretty young and I'm getting by. And I'm out there teaching lessons, playing in clubs, shaking hands, putting up fliers, handing out business cards, and making the right connections to find the income that I need to support myself. And because I do this constantly, I'm getting better and gradually expanding my network of contacts all the time.

    It's tough, but doable. My main point here is that, with or without a degree, you need to have a passion for what you're doing--and if you've got that, you'll be fine.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    cant argue with that.

    thats all well and good once you have that experience and are well on your way. but is that something you would recommend as the best course of action to 20 yr olds like me? recently out of high school knowing jack shit about anything except what the public school system taught you

    and correct me if im wrong but, atleast in north america, dont you need licenses to practice certain professions? most of these licenses are usually only issued on the basis of a post secondary education.
    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ I'm hardly older than you at 22.

    You do need a license to practice certain professions, and yes, you'll have to go to college for those. I didn't say that college is worthless or can't help you, just that if the only reason you're going is because you feel like you should, and not because you're actually motivated to study and get involved in a certain field, you're wasting an awful lot of time and money.

    If you look at college as an opportunity to meet people in your field and not as a chore to get done, it'll help you. If you look at it as something you have to get out of the way in order to graduate into the "real world", your situation is not likely to improve much even after you're done with it.

    Personally, I work in music--teaching and performing. I don't make an enormous amount of money yet, but I'm still pretty young and I'm getting by. And I'm out there teaching lessons, playing in clubs, shaking hands, putting up fliers, handing out business cards, and making the right connections to find the income that I need to support myself. And because I do this constantly, I'm getting better and gradually expanding my network of contacts all the time.

    It's tough, but doable. My main point here is that, with or without a degree, you need to have a passion for what you're doing--and if you've got that, you'll be fine.
    Both you dipshits are wrong. Its a combo of both.

    You have to know some theory, school, and you have to be able to function in the realy world with that theory. You can exist at the lower levels with just an education or real world skills. But if you want to make it to the upper echelons of business, you have know how to talk to other suits, have to be able to discuss literature, politics, or history at the drop of a hat if need be. But you also need be get shit done.

    Its a big club. And if you don't know the secret passwords, you aren't allowed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cady View Post
    Where are the confident, intelligent, and still fun young people that value discussion, trying new things, and actually use their brain once and a while? Even my more intuitive and intelligent friends are susceptible to dumbing themselves down in social situations. I feel like shaking them! Wake up! Stop turning into mindless pop culture huffing zombies every time we go out!
    Graduate school. No, seriously. But on the weekends, they do the same thing.

    I'm an NF, but not a drinker, so I can relate. How about trying a sport type activity, or book clubs, or gaming groups? It will get significantly better as you get older. It sounds like you are too mature for your group of friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ I'm hardly older than you at 22.

    You do need a license to practice certain professions, and yes, you'll have to go to college for those. I didn't say that college is worthless or can't help you, just that if the only reason you're going is because you feel like you should, and not because you're actually motivated to study and get involved in a certain field, you're wasting an awful lot of time and money.

    If you look at college as an opportunity to meet people in your field and not as a chore to get done, it'll help you. If you look at it as something you have to get out of the way in order to graduate into the "real world", your situation is not likely to improve much even after you're done with it.

    Personally, I work in music--teaching and performing. I don't make an enormous amount of money yet, but I'm still pretty young and I'm getting by. And I'm out there teaching lessons, playing in clubs, shaking hands, putting up fliers, handing out business cards, and making the right connections to find the income that I need to support myself. And because I do this constantly, I'm getting better and gradually expanding my network of contacts all the time.

    It's tough, but doable. My main point here is that, with or without a degree, you need to have a passion for what you're doing--and if you've got that, you'll be fine.
    your lucky to know what your passion is at 22...especially as an ENTP.

    i move from shit to shit so much, my career will need to be a stable source of income AND have free time for personal endevours. i like what im doing now but whos to say my likings will be same 10 years from now.

    so a fairly safe plan, to me, seems like to head to post-secondary and get something i can use as a base to jump off of

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    Both you dipshits are wrong. Its a combo of both.

    You have to know some theory, school, and you have to be able to function in the realy world with that theory. You can exist at the lower levels with just an education or real world skills. But if you want to make it to the upper echelons of business, you have know how to talk to other suits, have to be able to discuss literature, politics, or history at the drop of a hat if need be. But you also need be get shit done.

    Its a big club. And if you don't know the secret passwords, you aren't allowed in.
    no shit einstein...sun will still rise tommorow regardless of if i go to school or not...a bum gets by too, dont he...i think your talking bout something we like to call 'life'...it happens no matter what

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    Both you dipshits are wrong. Its a combo of both.

    You have to know some theory, school, and you have to be able to function in the realy world with that theory. You can exist at the lower levels with just an education or real world skills. But if you want to make it to the upper echelons of business, you have know how to talk to other suits, have to be able to discuss literature, politics, or history at the drop of a hat if need be. But you also need be get shit done.

    Its a big club. And if you don't know the secret passwords, you aren't allowed in.

    School is one method of learning such things/getting involved with a field. It's not a prerequisite for educating oneself or forging a successful career, though it can be helpful for that depending on what you want to do.

    I meant only to stress that it's not an absolute necessity for every field, even though it is for some.

    Bill Gates said, "Screw this, let's cut to the chase and start a business," dropped out of Harvard business school, and became the richest man on the planet.

    Obviously this isn't typical by any means, but it does illustrate my point.

    If you think I've somehow implied that school doesn't have value for anyone, you can't read.
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