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    Default The Mathematization of Culture

    There is something deeper going on in society though still in seedling form. It's what I've often referred to as the mathematization of culture which has coincided with the communications revolution. I'm not just referring to Rubik's cubes, chess, and sudokus becoming increasingly popular, but a process whereby society becomes increasingly mathematical, algorithmic, systematic, and approaches problems with the rigor used in mathematics. In this new world, emotions are subject to de-emphasis. Emotions are subject to de-evolution. Instead, what is increasingly important is dispassionate contemplation and clear thinking. Where emotions do exist, they are quantified, assigned values, and subject to the wrath of the intellect. As the culture changes and absorbs the inevitable, children will begin to absorb mathematical concepts the way they are currently genetically predisposed to absorb language. Indeed, mathematics will become increasingly vital to our survival as a species in the future. This is the case because we have put ourselves in an unsustainable situation wherein we are using the earth's resources faster than they naturally reproduce. Adapting requires that we use the earth's resources more efficiently and more sustainably. This requires that we evaluate the true costs and benefits of using a resource. Mathematics and a more rational approach can aide our calculus in determining the true costs and benefits of using a resource, and is thus a critical tool for adaptation. One may submit the counterthesis that this will have a dehumanizing effect, but this is not necessarily the case. For instance, humans have an inherent drive to create and in the work of some of the great artists is mathematics. Picasso's paintings use Euclidian geometry while Da Vinci's realist paintings were aided by superior judgment in proportions and so forth. Thus, a greater orientation around mathematics can enhance the quality of aesthetics.

    Is this inevitable? Is this desirable? Thoughts?

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    Hey welcome to the world of Hyper-Modernity.

    Is this inevitable? Is this desirable?
    No and no.

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    Humans are always most likely to find out what is good for them after they have gone through a lot of things, which sucked bigtime
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    we still need someone to write a book about business clerks overtaking the world
    There already is such a book, James Burnham's The Managerial Revolution.

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    Mmmm.....yeah you are right to a certain degree. With the whole "Green" movement, conservation and thus math will play a greater role. Also as technology evolves, we are forced to become more mathematical. Society is getting smarter with every decade.

    But you have to also remember that we are human. Too much structured thinking will provoke a backlash similar to the 1960s. Too much Gattica might produce small retreats out in the woods where one isn't as exposed to math. Where you can hunt for your own food and live in log cabins and shit.

    I think the keyword is "Evolve" in every sense, including math.

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    Math is just a tool used by science. What you describe, is just the accumulation of scientific knowledge. That's a good thing.
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    Actually it'd be the misuse of math and science. Math and science are indeed tools, which need to be put to proper use. Math and science need to be subordinated to human needs and the dictates of morality, not vice versa.

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    From the opposite perspective, there are many who would argue that emotions and more specifically emotional intellect are gaining more value in group situations often seen in the business, administrative, and political world. People want people who get along well with others, understand how to make people feel good, and can draw solutions to harmonious conclusions.

    In a lot of fields, the day's where efficiency is the sole core value are changing. Companies want to appear as more than corporate machines to the general public because that's actually what it takes to bring in the most profits. To me it's not so much that they've replaced efficiency rather they understand the importance "feeling" has to a lot of their customers.

    I guess it would be similar to a well rounded NT using logical thinking to deduce that they need to be able to utilize F in order to get the best results with some people.

    Basically my contribution to this is that while the mathematization of culture may be happening, I don't think it's initial result will be to decrease the value of emotions. Rather, emotions will first be mathematized (new word?), basically we'll attempt to calculate the type and necessary amount of emotion needed to achieve a desirable result and then utilize the necessary feeler types to make it happen.
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    Excessive rationality and execessive emotionality are the paradoxical aspects of Hyper-Modernity. On the surface they may seem opposites, but they are deeply connected. This goes back to the contest between the Enlightenment and Romanticism. The latter was both a continuation and a rejection the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Excessive rationality and execessive emotionality are the paradoxical aspects of Hyper-Modernity. On the surface they may seem opposites, but they are deeply connected. This goes back to the contest between the Enlightenment and Romanticism. The latter was both a continuation and a rejection the former.
    But does the increasing presence of both extremes mean we'll have more polarization to each extreme in individual personalities or that there will be high expectations for individuals to master both rationality and emotionality?

    Imagine an individual able to wield both intensive thinking and intensive feeling on demand to process particular information. I'm just not sure the human brain is at a point where we could compartmentalize the extremes of two often conflicting interpreting processes in a single being.
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